[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of the QA call 2012-04-20

[Thorsten Behrens]

Attending: Florian Reisinger, Petr Mladek, Cor Nouws, Kendy, Thorsten

Minutes
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Pending action items:
 - Update/Create active triagers wiki page (Cor/Rainer)
 - collect further ideas for spending a dedicated resource (Cor/Rainer)
   -> blocked on CC/Litmus choice & availability
 - Setting up a ready-to-go VirtualBox with everything installed would be
   cool (Bjoern/Korrawit?)
   https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47648
   possibly obsolete by screencast now?
 - MozTrap evaluation install (Bjoern)
 - write update scenario testcase in Litmus (Kendy)
 - bulk change remove EasyHacks in summary, make that white board only (Rainer)
 - community building/communication (everyone)
 - automated testing
 - bibisect for 3.5 release branch and 3.6 master (Bjoern)
 - Set Cor up with the Community/Forum maintainers at the distros
   to better propagate Hackfests, Bug Hunting Sessions etc.
   RedHat, Debian, Gentoo still missing
 - structured manual testing (NN)

Action items done:
 - Walkthrough bibisect setup at Hackfest to find out what needs better docs
   (Bjoern/Rainer/Florian) done, awesome screencast resulting from it:
   http://flosmind.wordpress.com/2012/04/16/bisecting-libreoffice-youtube-now-with-subtitles/
 - automated test docs: really straightforward for Calc, just needs more
   CSV test documents (all)
   https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47667
   Hackfest
 - provide Florian with LibreOffice 3.3 build for regression testing (Bjoern)
 - find webspace for Florians 3.4/3.3 regression VM (Bjoern)

New action items:
 - http://rrbd.wordpress.com/category/libreoffice/feed/ ok to add to
   planet? (Rainer)
 - provide list of exact desirable bugzilla extension (Cor)
 - review bibisect in ~half a year, vm or screencast? (Florian)
 - mail Markus / Eike / Kohei with the test docs for Calc unit tests (Florian)
 - request CC VM from admins, with specs (Yifan)

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General discussion:

>    - collect further ideas for spending a dedicated resource (Cor/Rainer)
>      ->  blocked: to get a concise list need to make a CaseConductor/Litmus choice
>
Petr: Yifan setup CC internally, put some sample testcases, played
with it this morning, looks good:

Advantages:
        + easier interface than Litmus
        + most actions are intuitive
        + "suite" and tags to sort the test cases into groups; they can
          be used for filtering easily
        + support to add links to bugzilla; they are visible from many
          queries
        + steps and expected results are connected; it should be easier
          to follow the instructions in most cases
        + allow to import test cases as JSON/CSV data set
        + more roles (Tester,Test Creator,Test manager,Admin)
        + fully configurable for administrators
        + still developed upstream

Disadvantages:
        + troubles to find the button to edit test case (icons looked
          like disabled)
        + tags are entered as text; you do select them from list of
          existing tags (might be fixed in the future)
        + a bit slow but not that bad

Same troubles like Litmus:
        + UI/text cases are not localized (hopefully solvable)

Cor mentions, that there are some extensions available that improve
possibilities to query from BugZilla, for example wrt commenters
(Rainer knows more details).  It could be looked at if that is useful,
and maybe spend some resource on.

>    - Setting up a ready-to-go VirtualBox with everything installed would be
>      cool (Bjoern/Korrawit?)
>      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47648
>      possibly obsolete by screencast now?
Florian mentions: well i do not think that it is obsolete, but IMHO it
is a different approach. We may discuss, whether a VM is useful (Keep
in mind: old software...; with a screencast you can talk about
problems concerning this version (bisecting_3.5), but not of the
following ones. [ I really hope it is working with 12.04 in the
future. BTW: We need to find a way to tell people where to download
the obsolete Ubuntu 10.10 builds, because Ubuntu 12.04 is being
announced soon!

>    - automated test docs: really straightforward for Calc, just needs more
>      CSV test documents (all)
>      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47667
>      Hackfest
Florian mentions: are other testdocs useful? I really would like to
see a (either WHITEBOARD or KEYWORD): "TESTDOC", because it is
annoying to uploas / update a test-doc more then once...

Advise: mail Markus / Eike / Kohei with the test doc

>    - find webspace for Florians 3.4/3.3 regression VM (Bjoern)
Florian: The two above are OK and the one down is obsolate, because
of: sourceforge.net/projects/libo-qa-builds/files/

Florian: small prob, libo 3.3 downloaded, didn't work properly: better
- do a screencast, looks much easier. Will provide screencast,
hopefully in the two weeks 

>    - other Hackfest results
> 
Florian: talked a lot with Rainer, took part in some discussion, 
learned bibisect, did screencast. Six hours virtually at hackfest.

Other results: Rob's bugreporting improvements, Calc/Chart2/svg import
unit test improvements.

Cheers,

-- Thorsten
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