[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...
Michael Meeks
michael.meeks at suse.com
Thu Apr 4 08:58:35 PDT 2013
* Present
+ Andras, Joel, Bjoern, Stephan, David, Astron, Thorsten,
Michael M, Caolan, Eike, Cedric, Kendy, Petr
* Completed Action Items
+ poke website guys wrt. feedback menu-item / page (Michael)
+ switch ESC time to CET to avoid changes (Michael)
+ Bugzilla attachments not set to autodetect (Tollef)
+ instead have the global headers in one central global directory
+ check behaviour of git-cherry-pick (Miklos)
+ SLES11 / temporary PTF for the server ? using SP3 toolchain ? (Kendy)
+ Markus worked around it on his own machine
+ find a slot in the schedule for 3.6.7 (Petr)
+ poke UX / users list suggesting removal of inherited number formats (Markus)
* Pending Action Items
+ Icons for Lionel + template manager (Astron/UX)
+ Issa produced something - pending Lionel's input
+ disable Rhino / Beanshell unless in experimental mode (Michael M)
+ look at gradient / clipart issues (Michael)
+ helping out with code-pointers for UI bugs (Kendy)
+ need design for copying styles between templates (Astron/UX)
+ either in that dialog or a new dialog
+ also issue with only editing templates that are in the mgr
+ decided: change the default install directory to
'LibreOffice 4' on master (Pmladek)
+ instead have the global headers in one central global directory
+ write up for the mailing list (Bjoern)
+ [ half way through ]
+ Personas - update / de-couple built-in URL (Kendy)
+ legacy link will continue to work for a while.
+ buy Windows build hardware / hosting (Norbert)
+ still investigating options
+ update mac SDK configure check on master (Norbert)
+ change -4-0 calc default to not use cached values (Eike, Kohei, Markus)
[ Markus plans to submit on Monday ]
* Release Engineering update (Petr)
+ 4.0.2 retrospective
+ it's out, few complex fixes left waiting for rc2
+ otherwise seems to have gone well
+ 3.6.6 rc2 update
+ tagged yesterday, builds for linux available,
Windows still building.
+ looks promising.
+ 4.0.3 rc1 - ~two weeks out April 15th
+ 3.6.7 date: proposed for July 17
+ 4.1 deadlines
+ feature-freeze May 20th, Alpha1 two weeks before
* WikiHelp for 4.0 (Andras)
+ what's the status of it, lots of complaints it's not on-line
+ help appreciated (Kendy)
AI: + get wikihelp credentials to Andras so he can do it (Kendy)
* UX input (Astron)
+ still pending a style copying design
+ looking at a design-bugs initiative: easy-hacks focused on design
+ would demand for rotation in writer be satisfied by
rotation of 90 degree multiples ?
+ a very very common case; already have mirroring
* Removing C++ examples from the SDK (Bjoern)
+ tried to get the C++ examples to work, tried on Windows
+ a real pain to use that on Windows
+ someone approaching the project from far away
+ problem: people may try extensions, find it hard to use and leave
+ whereas it is far easier to hack on the core itself
+ where was the trouble, compiling SDK, or extensions ? (Stephan)
+ example, compiling the C++ - problem
+ setup of the SDK needed regardless of language (Stephan)
+ needs attention & love
+ from there a minor step to having C++ working
+ is it a gbuild related regression (Michael?)
+ SDK uses it's own build-system: dmake
tweaked to work with gnumake, still build.pl
based
+ worked for Stephan on Windows recently fine.
+ tried a native visual-studio environment, but failed (Bjoern)
+ immediate crash on run; as well.
+ build system we have is not ideal, building your
own doesn't work so well either.
+ python does not require an SDK at all, no IDLs etc. (Bjoern)
+ getting started is easier
+ in practise it is always easier to go to the core; Java or C++ (Thorsten)
+ making things easier for building extensions:
+ provide a way to build extensions in our core build ?
+ don't want to bundle extensions though (Stephan)
+ easier to build the whole of LibreOffice instead of with the SDK
+ could we not make it easy to build extensions inside
the main build ?
+ with gnumake deps - don't need to build all of it
+ we need someone to care for and love the SDK (Stephan)
+ native platform builds
+ the build-system is not set in stone -
it needs to change.
+ eg. pre-compiling the headers
+ external makes it harder to use internal impl. details.
+ liblibreoffice might help (Michael)
* GSOC update (Cedric)
+ keep improving the Ideas page, update on Monday
* An understanding on adding new committers (Thorsten)
+ typical practise was to give a small domain of code
to commit to, asking for non-trivial commits on the
list etc.
+ would like a feed for new people with commit rights (Stephan)
+ can we make those lists public (Bjoern)
+ mail the ESC when people are added, for people where we
have any doubts mail first.
AI: + mail list of committers to ESC (Bjoern)
* gerrit auto-building - how to trigger that etc. (Thorsten)
+ Mac is being setup, still hunting for a nice/cheap
win service.
+ be interested in how to trigger that (Michael)
* Python unit tests (Bjoern)
+ although hard to debug, never have to debug most of them
+ rare occurences they fail.
+ story sprang out of Dresden sprint (Thorsten)
+ 2x volunteers wanted to help write unit tests,
but only really comfortable in Python.
+ David hacked something nice up.
+ concerned wrt. level of push-back
+ the purpose of unit tests is to break & then to show you
something useful (Michael)
+ we can only gain from knowing something broke (Bjoern)
+ but tests that fail for unclear reasons are
worse than useless, distracting, time consuming (Stephan)
+ the Java tests are exactly like this, code written
by a non-core developer, problem with the test => very
hard to debug.
+ the effect is that you disable the old/ugly tests
they randomly fail, so just disable them.
+ concern that tests from people only capable of writing
tests in python might create a similar problem.
+ Java tests written at Sun: two categories (Bjoern)
+ UNO API tests - awful - can't debug, synthetic
synarios all over the place.
+ specific tests - much more useful
+ concern wrt. un-helpful push-back to new changes (Thorsten)
+ should get it into master
+ however - introducing a test framework means:
+ helping people debug the problems involved
+ supporting and maintaining your unit tests
+ for now we should treat python tests as subsequenttests
alongside the Java ones with similar debugging issues.
+ and evolve that as we see how they pan out.
+ thank-you to David O for stimulating the discussion
& doing the work
* results/status of automated load testing (Markus)
+ commitments from Kendy, Eike to fix some of the few
bugs found
AI: => publish the results as/when (Markus)
* QA update (Joel)
+ 108 unconfirmed vs. 4.0, help appreciated with triage.
http://tinyurl.com/a3csc2o (cf. topic in #libreoffice-qa)
+ over 1000 bugs reported in February
+ over 6000 comments in a month
+ fighting to keep up with bug reports.
+ trying to work out what to do about extensions:
+ they're not our bugs, we don't control them
+ look under 'extensions and filters' component.
+ come up with a solution for users.
* Open 4.1 MAB / regressions
+ 4 (of 10) older 5/10 5/10 4/8 4/8 2/5 1/2 3/3
+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=60270&hide_resolved=1
* Open 4.0 MAB / regressions
+ 18 (of 112) older 17/111 19/109 19/106 17/105 14/99 15/96 16/94 16/91 13/79
16% 15% 18% 18% 16% 14% 16% 17% 18% 22%
+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=54157&hide_resolved=1
* 3.6 most annoying bugs ...
+ 73 (of 218) older 74/216 78/217 77/215 77/214 75/211 76/210 57/189 44/175
33% 34% 36% 36% 36% 36% 36% 30% 25%
+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=44446&hide_resolved=1
* Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibsected'
+ 24 (of 83) older 27/83 25/78 29/78 32/79 27/72
+ re-built the query to avoid pre bibisected mess
http://bit.ly/VQfF3Q
* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
+ 291(+1) bugs open of 1414(+13)total
* ~Component count net *
+ Writer - 96 (-3)
+ Presentation - 29 (+0)
+ Spreadsheet - 28 (+1)
+ LibreOffice - 28 (+1)
+ Database - 24 (+1)
+ Drawing - 20 (+0)
+ Crashes - 16 (-2)
+ Borders - 15 (+0)
+ Migration - 3 (-2)
+ Basic - 2 (+0)
+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&product=LibreOffice&list_id=36764
+ Migration: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=43489&hide_resolved=1
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