[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...
michael.meeks at suse.com
Thu Apr 11 10:19:08 PDT 2013
+ Andras, Kendy, Stefan, Bjoern, Petr, Michael M, David, Joel,
Astron, Norbert, Caolan, Markus, Eike
* Completed Action Items
+ mail list of committers to public list (Bjoern)
+ instead have the global headers in one central global directory
+ write up for the mailing list (Bjoern)
+ integrating / feedback on Issa's icons (Lionel)
+ change -4-0 calc default to not use cached values (Markus)
+ decided: change the default install directory to
'LibreOffice 4' on master (Pmladek)
+ get wikihelp credentials to Andras so he can set it up (Kendy)
* Pending Action Items
+ disable Rhino / Beanshell unless in experimental mode (Michael M)
+ look at gradient / clipart issues (Michael)
[ some progress: re-working gengal ]
+ helping out with code-pointers for UI bugs (Kendy)
+ need design for copying styles between templates (Astron/UX)
+ either in that dialog or a new dialog
+ also issue with only editing templates that are in the mgr
+ Personas - update / de-couple built-in URL (Kendy)
+ legacy link will continue to work for a while.
+ buy Windows build hardware / hosting (Norbert)
+ still investigating options
+ update mac SDK configure check on master (Norbert)
+ publish results of automated load testing (Markus)
+ work on fixing automated load test issues (Kendy,Fridrich,Eike)
[ Kendy -8, Eike -2 so far ]
* Release Engineering update (Petr)
+ 3.6.6 rc2 status
+ released today, thank you for the fixes!
+ 3.6.7 schedule on the Wiki page
+ 4.0.3 rc1 - ~one week out April 15th
+ 4.1 - feature-freeze: five weeks out: May 20th
+ Alpha1 two weeks before
* Tentative End Of Life definition (Petr)
+ TEOL is the time when TDF stops providing bugfix releases
+ TEOL should be one month after publishing the last planned
+ how do we define the "last bugfix release" (Kendy)
+ on the ML - 3.6.7 is an exception, with that, it will
already a year (Petr)
+ the lifetime should be ~6 - ~8 months (Petr)
+ sounds good to everyone
* UX input (Astron)
+ curious blog set this morning:
+ constructive points: UX for LibreOffice is not
at the tip of the spear yet
+ perhaps few corp. customers paying for fixes ?
+ agreed it is fundamentally a UX -hacker- resourcing
problem, we need more UX hackers somehow.
+ some work on design of templ. mgr ...
+ lots of good work by Raphael
+ tentative #3rd design for colour picker on-going
+ communcation was poor there
+ writer/image-rotation 90degree thought good.
* GSOC update (Cedric)
+ we were accepted as a mentoring organisation
+ lots of promising applicants showing up
+ Mentors need to register on Google Melange:
+ if you have an unusual account name - please
mail it to Cedric to get added.
* Internal galleries / and theme building (Michael)
+ why do we ship pre-canned galleries ?
+ can we build them under Windows these days ? (Caolan)
AI: + look into Windows gallery builds (Michael)
* Getting on with the public headers issue (Bjoern)
+ no open issues on design if we do it
+ only open: if we do it and when.
+ if do it, do it before 4.1 otherwise wait for 4.1.2 (Norbert)
+ removes a chunk of Package_foo_inc makefiles
+ solves incremental build issues when header
is left in the solver.
+ probable improvements in build time for Win32
AI: + mass-move & tweak of dmake stuff (Bjoern)
+ also propose to move external modules into an 'external' top-level
+ reduce the 200 top-levels around there.
+ love someone to do that
* Regression testing documents
+ Kendy will fix more today & tomorrow,
Markus can then re-run the tests & blog
* Hard Hacks (Bjorn)
+ should we continue to prioritise these ?
+ review of how the program is going
+ is it a working process? (Bjoern)
+ the idea is good, but prioritization is not ideal yet (Joel)
+ feedback from hard-hack fixes:
+ Markus: 3-4 days to fix - can have no more than 1 per month.
+ Caolan: some of the hard-hacks are too hard
+ bugs from OO.o 2 era.
+ there is a reason why they're not fixed yet
+ David: only fixed Hard-hacks accidentally while working on MABs
+ Cedric: fixed a few in December
+ "Template Mgr bugs more annoying than the hard-hacks"
+ thus prioritising them.
+ developers in general think:
+ there is lower hanging & more useful / fast fixing elsewhere
+ some bugs are really annoying & really easy
=> should be fixed fast.
+ continue it for one more month:
+ see if there is more movement, else get rid /
change it somehow (Joel)
+ one longer-term hard-hack per dev ?
+ if 2-3 are solved in the next month: continue as is
+ we need need more aggressive management and bug roll-over.
+ if something is not getting fixed, try something else
* Certification Program (Stephan/Kendy/Bjoern)
* QA update (Joel)
+ LibreOffice 4.0 issues for professional use (Rainer)
+ what level of usability do we expect for each release.
- should we focus more on regressions for certain release
+ concerns about MAB list roll-over to 4.0 etc.
+ reading bugs all day makes everyone down (Cedric)
+ lists of unconfirmed bugs
+ nasty bugs of the moment ...
+ unconfirmed bug list down to and stabilised at 230 or so
+ nice work [!].
+ Voting on bugs (Bjoern)
+ rename 'voting' to 'this bug affects me'
+ no promise for lots of affected people fixing them
+ the data is useful for devs if it is used positively (Michael)
+ useful in launchpad to filter stuff (Bjoern)
+ concern wrt. not getting E-mail on voting (Michael)
AI: + ask Tollef to rename & enable - IFF we don't get mailed (Bjoern)
+ 101 unconfirmed vs. 4.0, help appreciated with triage.
http://tinyurl.com/a3csc2o (cf. topic in #libreoffice-qa)
* gerrit buildbot-plugin aims and sync (Norbert, Bjoern, David)
+ left the call open for these guys.
* Open 4.1 MAB / regressions
+ 2 (of 11) older 4/10 5/10 5/10 4/8 4/8 2/5 1/2 3/3
* Open 4.0 MAB / regressions
+ 19 (of 115) older 18/112 17/111 19/109 19/106 17/105 14/99 15/96 16/94 16/91
17% 16% 15% 18% 18% 16% 14% 16% 17% 18%
* 3.6 most annoying bugs ...
+ 75 (of 223) older 73/218 74/216 78/217 77/215 77/214 75/211 76/210 57/189
34% 33% 34% 36% 36% 36% 36% 36% 30%
* Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibsected'
+ 26 (of 85) older 24/83 27/83 25/78 29/78 32/79 27/72
+ re-built the query to avoid pre bibisected mess
* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
+ 294(+3) bugs open of 1434(+20) total
* ~Component count net *
+ Writer - 97 (+1)
+ Presentation - 31 (+2)
+ Spreadsheet - 30 (+2)
+ LibreOffice - 26 (-2)
+ Database - 23 (-1)
+ Drawing - 19 (-1)
+ Crashes - 19 (+3)
+ Borders - 15 (+0)
+ Migration - 3 (+0)
+ Basic - 2 (+0)
+ Migration: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=43489&hide_resolved=1
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