[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...
michael.meeks at suse.com
Thu May 16 08:25:40 PDT 2013
+ Norbert, Thorsten, Stephan, David, Eike, Michael M, Andras,
Joel, Ahmad, Kendy, Cedric, Bjoern, Lionel, Christian,
Caolan, Tsahi, Petr
* Completed Action Items
+ look into Windows gallery builds (Michael)
+ look into clipart issues (Caolan)
+ switch on on-line update for 4.0.3 (Kendy)
+ look into Gnome-VFS / URI mangling / path issues (Michael)
[ fix back-ported to -4-0 thanks to Fridrich ]
+ mail the ux-advise list + Caolan with button order feedback (Astron)
+ connect Joel with Andreas to get contact details for ext'n devs (Thorsten)
+ get status of coretext in 4.1 (Tor, Abdulmajid, Khaled)
+ look at crash-on-start on Mac (Stephan / David)
* Pending Action Items
+ look at gradient issues (Michael)
+ double check Lionel's list-box / API change (Eike)
+ need design for copying styles between templates (Astron/UX)
+ either in that dialog or a new dialog
+ also issue with only editing templates that are in the mgr
+ feedback on stepped-lines dialog (Astron)
+ buy Windows build hardware / hosting (Norbert)
+ buy gamer boxes, and ship them to people's homes
+ alternatives too expensive / slow throughput
AI: + buy fast Windows build hardware (Norbert, Thorsten, Michael)
+ Mac hardware is up & installed & running 24/7
AI: + setup Mac hardware tinderbox slave (Norbert)
+ find a good public ? test / webdav server for QA (Thorsten)
+ kill calc / inherited number formatting for 4.1 (Markus)
+ revive writer default templates discussion - pwrt. incremental change (Ahmad)
* Release Engineering update (Petr)
+ 3.6.7 schedule - deadline: June 24th for rc1
+ 4.0.4 rc1 - May 27th - ~two weeks out
+ 4.1 - feature-freeze: May 20th
**** Feature Freeze Monday ****
+ build on Tuesday pre-tagging
+ experience of Alpha1 not so wonderful, but everything should
be fixed now.
+ 4.1 MABs:
AI: + Can't progress through the database wizard (Caolan)
AI: + Mac: open/save of odt broken (Caolan)
+ 4.1 pending / watch features / issues
+ gallery building (Michael)
AI: + disable gallery building on Mac (Norbert)
+ wiki page needs updating with features:
+ uno type database re-work (Stephan)
+ pushed it just now: size much smaller, and
callgrind looks sensible.
+ IDL compiler generates the old format, so the SDK
will still generate the old format for extensions
+ during the build - we generate new format .rdbs
+ can read old & new formats.
+ query about updating doxygen (Norbert)
+ still using autodoc internally, but Michael S. has
taught doxygen about our IDL format, waiting on a
+ coretext (Tor/Khaled)
+ selection problems on Mac for now
+ looks decent, but has selection / font-highlighting
+ overall - big improvement, not obviously broken,
fixes a number of Arabic issues.
AI: + enable it for 4.1 betas and see how we go (Norbert)
* Hamburg hack-fest (Thorsten)
+ Reminder to book travel
+ it's going to be good.
* QA update (Joel)
+ Need_Advice Bugs
+ These bugs seem to absolutely need developer input or
some special knowledge/setup to move forward.
+ We will be careful about using this whiteboard status
but hope that once it gets the status, it can be triaged
quickly by a developer
+ Currently only 2 bugs there, probably will increase as we
triage but in general should stay quite low
+ rather more bugs opened than closed
+ bug count climbing a bit:
+ should start falling next week - with more time from Joel
+ apparent decline in quality of bug reports
+ cutting edge people upgraded to 4.0 immediately, and they
filed good bugs; whereas more and more are 'NEEDINFO' due to
lack of necessary information
+ Printer Settings
+ Seems like a few things are broken here, individually probably
not major bugs but combined might be needed to escalate fixing it.
+ fdo#36568 - ignore automatically inserted blank pages, ignored
+ fdo#61186 - several settings not passed on to printer if set
in Printer Settings
AI: + printing options meta-bug creation (Joel)
+ great work from Florian wrt. See-Also markup.
+ working on stats for March / April
+ working on an bugs.freedesktop.org navigation video (Joel)
+ what do with many-comment many-cc bugs that are growing ...
* Security issues (Michael)
+ Avoiding the circus [!]
+ particularly at hot times: SUSE 4.0 + 4.1 freeze + RHEL6 etc.
+ issues with secure / signed updates on Windows etc.
* UX input (Astron)
+ restoring button ordering until we can fix it globally ?
+ talking about x/y/z button-ordering, not ok/cancel
+ only one of these - the un-saved changes dialog
+ a much smaller issue than originally thought =>
leave in platform-adapted state for now.
* gerrit mails decision (Bjoern / Kendy)
+ sum up the stuff on the mailing list; two positions:
+ more mails with comments in,
or + want to see less
+ both do-able, with external list, with reply-to to the
dev list and a digest -> main list.
+ people unhappy with that (Norbert, Thorsten)
+ concern with 1/2 of the thread being on another list (Norbert)
+ concerned wrt. the amount of people merging the patches (Kendy)
+ moving it to a separate list, motivate people
even less to merge stuff.
+ counter-productive if sending too much mail to the list (Bjoern)
+ lots of participants 'just filter it away as spam'
+ ask master committers to review other people's patches
+ important learning opportunities from patches + discussion (Norbert)
+ sad to miss that on the list.
+ what should go to what list vs. the main list ?
+ playing with mail feature of gerrit (Thorsten)
+ can create fire-hose to your own liking etc.
+ everyone can do what he/she prefers
+ ideally - some reduced amount to the dev-list: a
digest of initial patch submissions
+ if people need more: have wiki instructions to
configure how to do more.
+ eager to have a digest for the dev-list (Bjoern)
+ otherwise happy with Thorsten's proposal.
+ on launchpad - becoming a member of the libo pkg team
+ gets all Launchpad mail wrt. LibreOffice
+ they immediately complain.
+ digests are read-only, don't foster communication & discussion (Norbert)
+ hard to discuss things that way
+ problem with initial fire-hose of comments (Michael)
+ some of these (no-value comments) could have been
filtered out (Norbert)
+ Proposed compromise: (decide on it next time)
+ build a daily digest of submitted patches -> dev list
+ with commit messages, authors, links etc.
+ turn other notifications off
+ better document the gerrit mail / notification settings
+ encourage people who want to see everything to do that.
+ find out how many subscribers on the dev list (Kendy)
+ 598 full mails and 186 digest guys
* GSOC update (Cedric)
+ we have 13 slots as of now
+ 11 excellent ones, and two weaker selected.
+ next week: trying to help spread the mentoring load
+ no notification of students until Google announce that
+ May 22nd - de-duplication
+ May 27th - students will know.
* Certification Program (Stephan/Kendy/Bjoern)
+ announce new certifications, but first need to get approval
from individuals as to whether they want to be.
AI: + follow up invitations (Cert. team)
* Better communication / hangouts / webcams (Michael)
+ punt to next time ...
* Open 4.1 MAB
+ 4 (of 17) older 3/16 3/16 3/14 2/13 2/11 4/10 5/10 5/10 4/8 4/8
* Open 4.0 MAB
+ 18 (of 129) older 17/126 18/125 24/122 22/118 19/115 18/112 17/111 19/109
14% 13% 14% 20% 19% 17% 16% 15% 18%
* 3.6 most annoying bugs ...
+ 71 (of 229) older 72/228 75/226 75/225 75/225 75/223 73/218 74/216
31% 32% 33% 33% 34% 33% 34% 36%
* Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibsected'
+ 35 (of 100) older 36/100 30/90 28/88 26/85 24/83 27/83 25/78 29/78
* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
+ 302(+1) bugs open of 1530(+17) total
* ~Component count net *
Writer - 97 (+4)
Spreadsheet - 33 (-1)
Presentation - 30 (-1)
Libreoffice - 26 (-2)
Database - 22 (+0)
Crashes - 22 (+0)
Drawing - 19 (+1)
Borders - 14 (+0)
BASIC - 4 (+1)
Migration - 3 (+0)
+ Migration: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=43489&hide_resolved=1
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