[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

Thu May 16 08:25:40 PDT 2013

* Present
	+ Norbert, Thorsten, Stephan, David, Eike, Michael M, Andras,
	  Joel, Ahmad, Kendy, Cedric, Bjoern, Lionel, Christian,
	  Caolan, Tsahi, Petr

* Completed Action Items
	+ look into Windows gallery builds (Michael)
	+ look into clipart issues (Caolan)
	+ switch on on-line update for 4.0.3 (Kendy)
	+ look into Gnome-VFS / URI mangling / path issues (Michael)
	  https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64311
		[ fix back-ported to -4-0 thanks to Fridrich ]
	+ mail the ux-advise list + Caolan with button order feedback (Astron)
	+ connect Joel with Andreas to get contact details for ext'n devs (Thorsten)
	+ get status of coretext in 4.1 (Tor, Abdulmajid, Khaled)
	+ look at crash-on-start on Mac (Stephan / David)

* Pending Action Items
        + look at gradient issues (Michael)
	+ double check Lionel's list-box / API change (Eike)
        + need design for copying styles between templates (Astron/UX)
                + either in that dialog or a new dialog
                + also issue with only editing templates that are in the mgr
	+ feedback on stepped-lines dialog (Astron)
        + buy Windows build hardware / hosting (Norbert)
		+ buy gamer boxes, and ship them to people's homes
			+ alternatives too expensive / slow throughput
AI:			+ buy fast Windows build hardware (Norbert, Thorsten, Michael)
		+ Mac hardware is up & installed & running 24/7
AI:			+ setup Mac hardware tinderbox slave (Norbert)
	+ find a good public ? test / webdav server for QA (Thorsten)
	+ kill calc / inherited number formatting for 4.1 (Markus)
	+ revive writer default templates discussion - pwrt. incremental change (Ahmad)

* Release Engineering update (Petr)
        + 3.6.7 schedule - deadline: June 24th for rc1
	+ 4.0.4 rc1 - May 27th - ~two weeks out
	+ 4.1 - feature-freeze: May 20th
		**** Feature Freeze Monday ****
		+ build on Tuesday pre-tagging
		+ experience of Alpha1 not so wonderful, but everything should
		  be fixed now.
	+ 4.1 MABs:
		+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=60270&hide_resolved=1
AI:		+ Can't progress through the database wizard (Caolan)
			+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62937
AI:		+ Mac: open/save of odt broken (Caolan)
			+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58978
	+ 4.1 pending / watch features / issues
		+ gallery building (Michael)
AI:			+ disable gallery building on Mac (Norbert)
		+ wiki page needs updating with features:
			+ http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.1
		+ uno type database re-work (Stephan)
			+ pushed it just now: size much smaller, and
			  callgrind looks sensible.
			+ IDL compiler generates the old format, so the SDK
			  will still generate the old format for extensions
			+ during the build - we generate new format .rdbs
			+ can read old & new formats.
		+ query about updating doxygen (Norbert)
			+ still using autodoc internally, but Michael S. has
			  taught doxygen about our IDL format, waiting on a
			  release there.
		+ coretext (Tor/Khaled)
			+ selection problems on Mac for now
			+ looks decent, but has selection / font-highlighting
			  problems
			+ overall - big improvement, not obviously broken,
			  fixes a number of Arabic issues.
AI:			+ enable it for 4.1 betas and see how we go (Norbert)

* Hamburg hack-fest (Thorsten)
	+ Reminder to book travel
		+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Hamburg2013
	+ it's going to be good.

* QA update (Joel)
	+ Need_Advice Bugs
		+ These bugs seem to absolutely need developer input or
		  some special knowledge/setup to move forward.
		+ We will be careful about using this whiteboard status
		  but hope that once it gets the status, it can be triaged
		  quickly by a developer
		+ Currently only 2 bugs there, probably will increase as we
		  triage but in general should stay quite low
			+ http://tinyurl.com/ce6d8km
	+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
		+ rather more bugs opened than closed
			+190 -147
		+ bug count climbing a bit:
		+ should start falling next week - with more time from Joel
	+ apparent decline in quality of bug reports
		+ cutting edge people upgraded to 4.0 immediately, and they
		  filed good bugs; whereas more and more are 'NEEDINFO' due to
		  lack of necessary information
	+ Printer Settings
		+ Seems like a few things are broken here, individually probably
		  not major bugs but combined might be needed to escalate fixing it.
			+ fdo#36568 - ignore automatically inserted blank pages, ignored
			+ fdo#61186 - several settings not passed on to printer if set
			              in Printer Settings
AI:		+ printing options meta-bug creation (Joel)
		+ great work from Florian wrt. See-Also markup.
	+ working on stats for March / April
	+ working on an bugs.freedesktop.org navigation video (Joel)
	+ what do with many-comment many-cc bugs that are growing ...
		+ http://tinyurl.com/atrr7xr

* Security issues (Michael)
	+ Avoiding the circus [!]
		+ particularly at hot times: SUSE 4.0 + 4.1 freeze + RHEL6 etc.
	+ issues with secure / signed updates on Windows etc.

* UX input (Astron)
	+ restoring button ordering until we can fix it globally ?
		+ talking about x/y/z button-ordering, not ok/cancel
		  button ordering
		+ only one of these - the un-saved changes dialog
		+ a much smaller issue than originally thought =>
		  leave in platform-adapted state for now.

* gerrit mails decision (Bjoern / Kendy)
	+ sum up the stuff on the mailing list; two positions:
		+ more mails with comments in,
	   or	+ want to see less
	+ both do-able, with external list, with reply-to to the
	  dev list and a digest -> main list.
		+ people unhappy with that (Norbert, Thorsten)
		+ concern with 1/2 of the thread being on another list (Norbert)
	+ concerned wrt. the amount of people merging the patches (Kendy)
		+ moving it to a separate list, motivate people
		  even less to merge stuff.
	+ counter-productive if sending too much mail to the list (Bjoern)
		+ lots of participants 'just filter it away as spam'
		+ ask master committers to review other people's patches
	+ important learning opportunities from patches + discussion (Norbert)
		+ sad to miss that on the list.
		+ what should go to what list vs. the main list ?
	+ playing with mail feature of gerrit (Thorsten)
		+ can create fire-hose to your own liking etc.
		+ everyone can do what he/she prefers
		+ ideally - some reduced amount to the dev-list: a
		  digest of initial patch submissions
		+ if people need more: have wiki instructions to
		  configure how to do more.
	+ eager to have a digest for the dev-list (Bjoern)
		+ otherwise happy with Thorsten's proposal.
		+ on launchpad - becoming a member of the libo pkg team
			+ gets all Launchpad mail wrt. LibreOffice
			+ they immediately complain.
	+ digests are read-only, don't foster communication & discussion (Norbert)
		+ hard to discuss things that way
	+ problem with initial fire-hose of comments (Michael)
		+ some of these (no-value comments) could have been
		  filtered out (Norbert)

	+ Proposed compromise: (decide on it next time)
		+ build a daily digest of submitted patches -> dev list
			+ with commit messages, authors, links etc.
		+ turn other notifications off
		+ better document the gerrit mail / notification settings
		+ encourage people who want to see everything to do that.
	+ find out how many subscribers on the dev list (Kendy)
		+ 598 full mails and 186 digest guys

* GSOC update (Cedric)
	+ we have 13 slots as of now
		+ 11 excellent ones, and two weaker selected.
	+ next week: trying to help spread the mentoring load
	+ no notification of students until Google announce that
		+ May 22nd - de-duplication
		+ May 27th - students will know.

* Certification Program (Stephan/Kendy/Bjoern)
	+ announce new certifications, but first need to get approval
	  from individuals as to whether they want to be.
AI:		+ follow up invitations (Cert. team)

* Better communication / hangouts / webcams (Michael)
	+ punt to next time ...

* Open 4.1 MAB
        + 4 (of 17) older 3/16 3/16 3/14 2/13 2/11 4/10 5/10 5/10 4/8 4/8
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=60270&hide_resolved=1

* Open 4.0 MAB
        + 18 (of 129) older 17/126 18/125 24/122 22/118 19/115 18/112 17/111 19/109
             14%             13%    14%     20%    19%    17%    16%    15%    18%
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=54157&hide_resolved=1

* 3.6 most annoying bugs ...
        + 71 (of 229) older 72/228 75/226 75/225 75/225 75/223 73/218 74/216
             31%             32%    33%    33%    34%    33%    34%    36%
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=44446&hide_resolved=1

* Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibsected'
        + 35 (of 100) older 36/100 30/90 28/88 26/85 24/83 27/83 25/78 29/78
                http://bit.ly/VQfF3Q

* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
	+ 302(+1) bugs open of 1530(+17) total

	* ~Component   count net *
	        Writer - 97 (+4)
	   Spreadsheet - 33 (-1)
	  Presentation - 30 (-1)
	   Libreoffice - 26 (-2)
	      Database - 22 (+0)
	       Crashes - 22 (+0)
	       Drawing - 19 (+1)
	       Borders - 14 (+0)
	         BASIC -  4 (+1)
	     Migration -  3 (+0)

        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&product=LibreOffice&list_id=36764
        + Migration: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=43489&hide_resolved=1

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