[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...
Michael Meeks
michael.meeks at suse.com
Thu May 23 08:04:14 PDT 2013
* Present:
+ Thorsten, Lionel, Joel, David, Michael M, Markus, Kendy, Ahmad,
Andras, Kohei, Tsahi, Caolan, Stephan, Bjoern, Cedric, Petr
* Completed Action items:
+ double check Lionel's list-box / API change (Eike)
[ Done. The two properties added to
com.sun.star.form.component.DataBaseListBox are
marked optional which doesn't harm existing clients. ]
+ Hackfest: connect to University of Hamburg (Eike)
+ Mac: open/save of odt broken (Stephan)
+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58978
+ disable gallery building on Mac (Norbert)
+ enable coretext for 4.1 / Mac betas (Norbert)
+ printing options meta-bug creation (Joel)
+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64679
+ Hackfest: promote it on http://www.meetup.com/find/ (Bjoern)
[ stalled, needs a for-pay account ]
+ Hackfest: promote it on http://lanyrd.com/dashboard/ (Bjoern)
+ buy fast Windows build hardware (Norbert, Kendy)
+ bought two boxes
+ look at gradient issues (Caolan)
+ setup Mac hardware as tinderbox slave (Norbert)
[ looking good, up and running, incremental one ]
[ would be great to have a 10.6 build-bot (Stephan)
+ came with 10.8 - havn't found one (Norbert) ]
+ find a good public ? test / webdav server for QA (Thorsten)
[ drop it for now, still on Thorsten's list ]
+ fix can't progress through the database wizard (Petr)
+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62937
+ follow up certification invitations (Cert. team)
[ sent out reminders, most responded ]
+ need design for copying styles between templates (Astron/UX)
+ status from Cor (thanks !)
+ one issue (editing templates) looks solved
+ ideas for second (copying styles) looks promising
(but perhaps has code difficulties for 'copying' what
works in sw to sc)
+ input for third (visibility of various) still welcome
http://www.mail-archive.com/libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org/msg01658.html
+ and this split thread
http://www.mail-archive.com/libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org/msg01663.html
* Pending Action items:
+ feedback on stepped-lines dialog (Astron)
+ buy fast Windows build hardware (Markus, Thorsten)
AI: + get info to Markus on what to get, or Hamburg Hackfest sync. (Thorsten)
+ kill calc / inherited number formatting for 4.1 (Markus)
[ in progress, several issues around it ]
+ revive writer default templates discussion - pwrt. incremental change (Ahmad)
[ busy the last weeks, starting next week ]
+ 4.1 issues:
+ fix gallery building on Mac (Michael?)
* Release Engineering update (Petr)
+ 3.6.7 schedule - deadline: June 24th for rc1
+ 4.0.4 rc1 - ** Monday **
+ 4.1 Beta1 status
+ done the Beta1 tag
+ created the libreoffice-4-1 branch
+ any bug fixes without review still welcome there
until end of Beta period.
+ features need tripple review.
+ Linux + Mac builds done, Windows pending
+ 4.1 - feature-freeze / retrospective / update
+ problems with public holidays on Monday
+ problems with release configuration (all-langs) vs.
fast tinderbox builds
+ nice to have an all-langs Win32 tinderbox (Michael)
+ good to have more tinderboxes - 4x new ones coming.
+ good to share access to TDF machines to nurse them.
+ budget left for hosted Linux boxes - volunteers appreciated.
+ 4.1 MABs:
+ scroll right/left - pending a patch from Emir
+ superscript bug - Lubos chasing ...
+ 4.1 pending / watch features / issues
+ wiki page needs updating with features:
+ http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.1
+ match-case search (Andrzej)
+ to merge to 4-1 (Michael)
+ should experimental features be exempt from the freeze ?
+ Kendy has a nice sidebar cleanup
+ how to determine that ? (Norbert)
+ perhaps just a single review (Michael)
+ [ beta period single review ]
* QA update (Joel)
+ no hiccups, stable bug-count
+ Need_Advice bugs input appreciated
+ http://tinyurl.com/ce6d8km
+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
+ closing the gap:
+ +135 -127
+ working on stats for March / April
+ working on an bugs.freedesktop.org navigation video (Joel)
+ what do with many-comment many-cc bugs that are growing ?
+ bring them up in ESC as/when added
+ http://tinyurl.com/atrr7xr
+ an OS/X bug ... - lots of dups.
+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39007
+ Norbert already had a fix.
+ input appreciated.
* Hamburg hack-fest (Thorsten)
+ Reminder to book travel
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Hamburg2013
+ we have TDF travel budget $1k to spend
+ approved Caolan, Michael, Thorsten
+ If you're coming - please add your name to the wiki
+ helps with food ordering
AI: + add KACST guys to wiki (Ahmad)
* Report from San Francisco meet-up (Bjoern)
+ not a large number of participants, but just a first meet-up
+ all interested, more permanant presence needed
+ more promotion needed next time
* gerrit mails decision (Bjoern / Kendy)
+ find out how many subscribers on the dev list (Kendy)
+ 598 full mails and 186 digest guys
+ Proposed compromise: (decide on it next time)
+ build a daily digest of submitted patches -> dev list
+ with commit messages, authors, links etc.
+ turn other notifications off
+ better document the gerrit mail / notification settings
+ encourage people who want to see everything to do that.
+ concern around workload for gerrit sending lots
more mail out (Norbert)
+ suck it and see for a week (Michael)
+ Go with the compromise
AI: + get the digest bits setup (Bjoern)
+ already have a script by David for that, put that
into the dev-tools/ repository bikeshedding there.
* GSOC update (Cedric)
+ handled and retained two duplicate students so far
+ de-duplication meeting tomorrow
+ no notification of students until Google announce that
+ by May 27th - students will know.
+ smooth progress - thanks to Cedric + Fridrich
* UX input
+ no-designer around.
* Better communication / hangouts / webcams (Michael)
+ google hangouts restrict us to 10x people
+ video/audio mix is possible
+ try next time to fuse a hangout + the existing dial-in
AI: + send gmail contact details to Michael to build a circle (All interested)
* Scattered dependent packages issues (Bjoern)
+ minor LibreOffice updates often require a slew of
other minor package updates around the wpd* set
+ do we have any visibility into if this might
cause regressions
+ no good ideas how to solve it
+ for SUSE (Petr)
+ we build them bundled for older products
+ don't have big problems updating the set otherwise
+ could use the bundled versions, but against Debian policy (Bjoern)
+ could ask for exceptions for wpd* - unlikely to work well
+ could fix by not updating requirements in configure (Petr)
+ all ABI back-compatible within the series (Michael)
=> recommend to keep binary compat in the major series after x.y.2
and stick with old versions in releases (if possible)
+ if not possible, mail Bjoern.
** Hard Hacks - re-visit (Joel / Bjoern)
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/HardHacks
+ lots of progress - but mostly by fixing MABs
+ calc slot 'open' for weeks.
+ QA call mostly ok with sunsetting it, did it's job
for it's time (Bjoern)
+ QA team has got bigger, and has been fixing prioritisation
which does something similar (Joel)
+ The new 'need-advice' keyword helps the QA <-> Developer
communication around hard (to confirm) bugs.
* Certification Program (Stephan/Kendy/Bjoern)
+ discussion about certified developer logo, do we have one ? (Stephan)
+ need to send certificates out.
* QA request - for areas to test (Joel)
+ need to have some areas to go dig at, that is easy to find
+ QA looked into 3.6.x series to see how many regressions happened
within the series, work pending there.
* Open 4.1 MAB
+ 3 (of 23) older 4/17 3/16 3/16 3/14 2/13 2/11 4/10 5/10 5/10 4/8 4/8
+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=60270&hide_resolved=1
* Open 4.0 MAB
+ 16 (of 128) older 18/129 17/126 18/125 24/122 22/118 19/115 18/112 17/111
13% 14% 13% 14% 20% 19% 17% 16% 15%
+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=54157&hide_resolved=1
* 3.6 most annoying bugs ...
+ 69 (of 231) older 71/229 72/228 75/226 75/225 75/225 75/223 73/218 74/216
30% 31% 32% 33% 33% 34% 33% 34% 36%
+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=44446&hide_resolved=1
* Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibsected'
+ 36 (of 105) older 35/100 36/100 30/90 28/88 26/85 24/83 27/83 25/78 29/78
http://bit.ly/VQfF3Q
* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
+ 304(+2) bugs open of 1553(+23) total
* ~Component count net *
Writer - 100 (+3)
Spreadsheet - 34 (+1)
Presentation - 28 (-2)
Libreoffice - 27 (+1)
Crashes - 22 (+0)
Database - 21 (-1)
Drawing - 20 (+1)
Borders - 14 (+0)
BASIC - 3 (-1)
Migration - 3 (+0)
+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&product=LibreOffice&list_id=36764
+ Migration: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=43489&hide_resolved=1
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