[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of the ESC call ...

Thu May 15 09:21:19 PDT 2014

* Present:
    + Kendy, Bjoern, Stephan, cloph, Lionel, Eike, Miklos, Norbert, Markus,
      Cedric. Eilidh, David, Michael S., Andras, Astron, Jacobo

* Completed Action Items
    + add HackFest hardware / Amazon VMs to Board budget planning (Michael)
    + poke Sophie to check updating is checked in MozTrap (Cloph)
    + added bibisect repo (Miklos)
     
* Dropped Action Items:
    + chasing build / test intermittency:
        + turn the SAL_WARN into a fprintf & send to Cloph ? (Kendy)
        + run the 'make slowcheck' 20x from the top-level & report (Cloph)
        => seems to be fixed by commits on master meanwhile
    + will try filing a lot of small string changes as easy hacks (Astron)

* Pending Action Items:
    + crashtest box - more research (Moggi/Cloph)
        [ calc is working, writer problems can't easily be nailed down,
          have to use multiple processes ]
        [ calc numbers increased a bit - but not as bad as expected ]
    + encourage icon authors to put them into git (Astron)
    + fix the Java bridge for MSVC2012 for 4.3 (Stephan/Michael S.)
    + Add StarOffice OOoXML export removal to 4.2 release notes (Cloph)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
    + 4.3 status
       + failing unit tests oddness - the hunt ...
       + investigating Windows test failures (spellchecking)
    + 4.3.0 feature freeze:
       + next week May, 19th -- release date overlap with OSCON
       + take that to QA (Bjoern)
    + 4.2.5 RC1 - when ?
        + freeze in two weeks
        + no trouble expected
    + Android / iOS remote
        + no news
    + Credits:
        + punted until mmmeks is back
        http://www.libreoffice.org/about-us/credits/
        + bit out of date: worth updating for 4.3 ?
        + 'Contributors to Bundled Templates' - oddly coloured heading.
        + can we separate rows better for readability ?
           + embolden bold name perhaps ?
    + tracking tags in Redmine a stupid idea? (Bjoern)

* LibreOffice 4.3.0 alpha1 bibisect:
    + see https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/HowToBibisect#Versions
    + 182 new builds
    + Cloph did some Windows bibisect builds for Florian UI stuff
 
* 4.3 Features Page (Michael)
    + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.3
        + please update it !
 
* Address & Leak Sanitizer (Moggi/Sberg)
    + gcc/clang compiler stuff from GOOG for tracking buffer overruns etc.
    + works mostly out of the box
    + distribute build to the QA team?
    + runtime thing/instrumented build that spits out leaks etc. found during a run
    + enable for development/make check? (mst)
    + some junit/java trickiness here (libjpipe.so)
    + QA guys reporting back on bugzilla?
       + sure (sberg)
AI: + send example (Markus)
        + http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2014-May/061142.html

* FISL Brazil Update (Fridrich)
    + punted -- no Fridrich

* UX update (Astron)
    + start menu bug updated -- not too good an idea
        + vendor spamming etc.
        + discussion at http://wordpress.com/my-stats/
    + autotext stuff?

* GSoC update (Fridrich/Cedric?)
    + where are we supposed to be at as of now ?
        + coding starts next week
    + add students with commit accounts [ for their branches ]
AI:     + add them to commiter group (Norbert)

* Distro branches & commits (Michael)
    punted -- no Michael

* unit test documents bloating up git repo: (Michael)
    + might be mine (Miklos)
        + automated task?
        + test fail on too big file?
    + these docs are not commited with evil intend, they are sneaking in (Bjoern)
    + test failure on big docs might hurt local testing (Bjoern)
    + git-hook would prevent pushing unsuited docs though (Bjoern)
        + even easier (Miklos)
        + gerrit doesnt show how big a binary is (mst)
        + git hook would handle that too (Norbert)
        + people would evade that (Norbert)
    + external repo? (Norbert)
        + raising awareness should be enough for now (Bjoern)
AI: + update git hook (Miklos)
 
* Crashtest update (Markus)
    + new data ?
      http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/crashtest/91821848a3a50229b8b96e91e9eb053a8ebc5d9a/
 
* Certification Committee (Stephan/Bjoern/Kendy)
  
* Gerrit review request (Caolan)
    + lots of stuff building up there that needs review; help appreciated.
    + better shape than last week
    + we need to be more vicious on abandoning old ones 
AI: + walk through old changes, nag people, abandon changes (Bjoern)
 
* Coverity Update (Caolan/Markus)
    + seems like a lot going on there, how are the stats ?
AI: + needs a new build scheduled (moggi)

* collect all bibisects at dev-downloads (Bjoern)
    + AFAIK e.g. Miklos has a bibisect repo "somewhere"
    + suggesting to have all bibisects with a copy at http://dev-downloads.libreoffice.org/bibisect/ too
    + more importantly: have all available bibisects listed at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Bibisect
       + done by now (Miklos)

* C++11 for 4.4? (Stephan)
    + see <http://people.redhat.com/~sbergman/FOSDEM2014.odp> for details
        + Linux RHEL 5 baseline builds via <https://access.redhat.com/site/sites/default/files/pages/attachments/rhel_developer_toolset_feature_brief.pdf>?
        + available for CentOS 5 as well http://linux.web.cern.ch/linux/devtoolset/ 
          (and also personal repository: http://people.centos.org/tru/devtools-2/ )
        + Mac: drop 10.6 compatibility?
        + Windows: move to MSVC 2012
    + possible painpoints: update baseline on OSX
        + possibly drop 32Bit?
    + Windows should already be recent enough (Cloph)
        + might need an updated version, we likely have that (sberg)
    + RHEL baseline is too old too (sberg)
    + there is devtoolset to use a newer compiler on old baseline

* Hackfests (Bjoern)
    + Paris Hackfest:
        + June 27-28th
        + please add yourself to the wiki:
            + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Paris2014
 
* LibreOffice Conference Call for Papers (Michael)
    + please think of what to submit:
      http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Conference-2014-Call-for-Paper-td4100170.html
        + May 15th deadline ... thats TODAY!
    + Your paper doesn't have to be "Awesome new massive feature"
    + You can explain how something old & complicated works too
    + You can submit a short talk: 15mins, 30 mins etc.
    + also consider submitting brainstorming/roundtable sessions beyond "look what I did" talks ... (Bjoern)
 
* QA (Norbert)
    + NeedAdvice:
        + Font rendering issues in KDE: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59818
            + help appreciated
    + buzilla migration
        + when its good enough will go back to Tollef for a real date.
    + Bugzilla migration -- missing feedback (Norbert)
        + freedesktop side is ok, infra side pretty much there, handling it from QA side?
AI: Look into that (Bjoern)
    + Bug Hunting Session, May 23-25, prepare for impact (Bjoern)

* QA stats:
 
  + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
    +218    -131        (+87 overall)
    many thanks to the top bug squashers:
        Kohei Yoshida       17
        Maxim Monastirsky    9
        Cor Nouws            9
        Michael Stahl        8
        Jorendc              8
        tommy27              8
        Julien Nabet         7
        Caolán McNamara      6
        Foss                 4
        m.a.riosv            4
 
* Open 4.3 MAB
  + 2/8 3/7 2/5 1/2 1/2 0/1 0/1 1/1 1/1 1/1
  + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=3D75025&hide_resolved=3D1
 
* Open 4.2 MAB
  + 62/184 49/165  18/128 19/124 18/123 24/120 20/112 19/111 20/111 18/104 17/102
     33%    29%     14%    15%    14%    20%    17%    17%    18%    17%    16%
  + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=3D65675&hide_resolved=3D1
 
* Open 4.1 MAB
  + 18/155 43/179 76/208 78/208 78/208 79/208 79/206 84/206 85/206 86/204 81/198
     11%    24%    36%    37%    37%    37%    38%    40%    41%    42%    40%
  + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=3D60270&hide_resolved=3D1
 
* Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibsected'
  + 45/208 46/207 47/201 47/198 46/197 39/189 38/185 40/185 39/182 39/181
    + http://bit.ly/VQfF3Q
 
* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
 
    + 319(+1) bugs open of 2562(+19) total
            ~Component   count net *
                Writer - 82 (-3)
           Spreadsheet - 47 (+0)
               Crashes - 23 (+2)
          Presentation - 22 (+1)
              Database - 21 (+0)
                    UI - 20 (+0)
           Libreoffice - 19 (-1)
              Graphics - 16 (+2)
               Borders - 14 (-1)
               Drawing - 12 (+0)
                 Chart - 11 (+1)
           Print / PDF -  9 (+1)
               Filters -  9 (+0)
            Extensions -  5 (+0)
               Formula -  3 (+0)
            Linguistic -  3 (+0)
                 BASIC -  3 (+1)
             framework -  2 (+1)
          Installation -  2 (+0)
             Migration -  2 (+0)
                   sdk -  0 (+0)
        Impress Remote -  0 (+0)
 
  + http://bit.ly/15mM2Yn - for devs ( no NEEDINFO / UNCONFIRMED )
  + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=3Dregression%2C%20&=keywords_type=3Dallwords&resolution=3D---&query_format=3Dadvanced&product==3DLibreOffice&list_id=3D36764