[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...
michael.meeks at collabora.com
Thu Nov 26 08:51:47 PST 2015
+ Cloph, Sophie, Stephan, Jan-Marek, JanI, Michael M, Miklos, Andras,
Caolan, Bjoern, Lionel, Bubli, Armin, Michael S, Kendy, Eike, Robinson, Thorsten
* Completed Action Items:
+ UserAgent - drop bundled-languages (Michael)
+ UserAgent - produce a patch for review (Michael)
+ disable openGL by default for 5.0.4 (Cloph)
+ run the sw renaming script just before branch-off (Robinson)
[ needed a fix to a test document, accidentally touched,
kendy fixed for the future ]
+ improve new contributors Wiki, write blogpost, promote git-review etc. (JanI)
[ v. open-ended: in-progress ]
+ setup FOSDEM Hackfest wiki page with dates (Samuel stole this AI ;) )
[ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/FOSDEM2016 ]
* Pending Action Items:
+ come up with a proposal for "abandoned" / "insufficient data"
resolution in the bug-flow graph (Robinson)
[ lively discussion, following up, decision by the end of the week ]
+ book FOSDEM conf. room for board meeting (Florian)
[ perhaps after not before to avoid hackfest conflict ]
+ list of developers who havn't contributed in a while (JanI)
+ check mDNSResponder & move it to external/ (Michael S.)
[ hidden 5x directories deep in impress ]
+ double-check libmar/src, update/src, remove the duplicate, etc. (Kendy)
* Release Engineering update (Cloph)
+ 4.4.7 RC2
+ tagged, Linux + Mac built.
+ Windows delayed; since VM died; buying replacement H/W etc.
+ will start build today.
+ 5.0.4 status
+ RC1 / freeze - Monday
+ tagging due later today / tomorrow.
+ all fixes from gerrit are integrated
+ very last minute fixes today / tomorrow.
+ 5.1.0 branch / feature-freeze: this week.
+ branch created, and beta1 tag this week.
+ windows build breakage just before tagging.
+ a buildfix1 tag -> corresponding fixes.
+ re-created tar-balls from this.
+ Avoiding large-scale cosmetic cleanups
+ until when ? (Stephan)
+ consensus so-far; try to do just before branch-off (Miklos)
+ one idea mass-run through code-formatting tool (Bjoern)
+ start with config / code-style we want to use
+ by the time we do the next release: finally look at it.
+ 6 months to bike-shed.
+ afraid, can't agree on include order, not ideal (Miklos)
+ removing parameters, defaulted etc. (Stephan)
+ calming down for a couple of point-release to help bug-fixers (Michael)
+ makes sense (Bjoern)
+ concern, never a good time for doing these (Stephan)
+ concern - size, and non-functionality are deadly annoying when
back-porting bug-fixes (Michael)
+ if a volunteer; doing rename member variables (Bjoern)
+ if 1st commit - makes sense perhaps.
+ agree with a quiet period (Eike)
+ will pile up changes in gerrit; but need reviewing.
+ piling makes them un-merge-able over time (Bjoern)
+ say - we discourage until .2 (as in the past) (Miklos)
+ not black / white - please try to avoid those.
=> avoid large non-functional cleanups until x.y.2
+ Late Features:
+ OpenGL - switch to simpler double-buffering.
+ Slide Transitions: artwork & polish
[ Jay and Andreas making new images - much appreciated ]
+ UserAgent display & tweakage
[ in modulo tweaking, cf. discussing a setting later ]
+ calc s/w interpreter-related patch
[ also got in before the freeze; an 18x speedup on CPU for
some test sheets; currently guarded by a variable - and
subsetting to just some sheets.
+ plan to test with crash-testing sheets & enable by default
Would like to look at it (Eike)
+ dislike env.vars set - avoids the unit-tests
+ plan to remove it before ship (Kendy)
+ turn into normal config & default -> testable.
+ would like to turn it on now - default on for user-testing (Kendy)
+ optional B2 in the release-plan (Cloph)
+ can have an intermediate release.
+ goal of the code - vectors of doubles
+ formula results (Michael)
+ moves big chunk of ptr chasing & branching from inner loop.
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ delayed, due to B1 delay.
* Idle re-work (Michael)
+ graphical event processing issue
+ scheduler cleanup
+ true 'idle' behavior - for wordcount.
* Documentation (Kendy)
+ proposed - rename of help files that are main / 000158 etc.
+ quite un-readable for humans.
+ localization community - asked; these get into po files at some stage.
+ needs scripting; but not a high prio. just yet.
+ mainly for non-pootle using translators (Cloph)
+ has some helpful scripts (JanI)
+ message contexts changes (Kendy)
+ not urgent - for now use an XSL file that indicates the
path of the files in the help (Sophie)
+ reasonably easy to find the file to work on.
+ guy interested in editing help, doing good stuff there too.
* UX Update (Kendy)
+ Meeting time moved -> now Friday 2pm European time.
+ based on doodle poll.
+ this friday - 1st time at new time.
+ don't have tabs above the view anymore.
+ a toolbar button with a drop-down to choose what to edit.
+ makes 'masters' more obvious
+ switch directly to editing masters.
+ discussion with Samuel
+ will re-introduce the work; maybe new name ? toolspace ?
* Crashtest update
+ 2 import failures, 1 export failures, coverity 315
+ import & export now fixed.
+ overall 10x down on Coverity
+ unusually new & helpful issues.
* UserAgent bits (Michael)
+ dropping language piece - from user-agent
+ native lang teams would like that (Cloph)
+ lots of people use English (Eike)
+ NLP care who uses their work (Cloph)
=> add the UI language instead.
+ what it does (check it out)
+ OS version Win 6.6
+ Threads: 4
+ Render: normal/GL
+ not a technical thing (Bjoern)
+ we host the data at TDF
+ meta-data, identifiable.
+ only a few bits of info (Michael)
+ happier - if not for every ping (Bjoern)
+ do statistical sampling; 1% of users.
+ unclear if we want a "Opt in to share details [yes] [no]" thing
+ usual question - "do you want to update & we will share data" (Kendy)
+ we want people updating -> not attractive.
=> turn it in with some 1% filter of users
* Upload Java URE artifacts to central Maven repository? (Bubli)
+ useful for developing Java extensions
+ already packaged in Debian
+ check if they comply with requirements: http://central.sonatype.org/pages/requirements.html,
sign with TDF key & upload
+ makes building Java extensions much easier.
+ bug from DavidO - 3x years ago; now closed.
+ https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/1629 filed for cloph to deal with it :-)
+ willing to do the maintenance (Bubli)
+ would be happy for help up-loading -> help appreciated !
+ Can use mis-placed versions of jars to compile vs. (Stephan)
+ can't use at run-time.
+ aware of that (Bubli)
+ concern wrt. non-obvious failure modes (Stephan)
+ Jars need other parts of the URE next to themselves.
+ errors will not be enlightening.
+ is it for TDF vs. distro builds ? (Bjoern)
+ users need educating anyway - just for building (Bubli)
+ like the idea (Michael)
+ LiMux switched Wollmux builds to Maven builds (JMux)
+ has stuff there; used to build public releases.
+ Debian already build some maven goodness (Bubli)
+ artifact ID / ver / jar etc.
+ part of URE package.
+ for local use of Maven -> will point to local machine (Stephan)
+ lets not kill babies (Michael)
AI: + help with sign & up-load (Cloph)
* LiMux hackfest update (Jan-Marek)
+ about 20 people, JMux split between organizing & LibreOffice.
+ poked at KDE5 backend - will take a while to develop a real one.
+ probably first switch kde4 from X11 to Qt abstraction
+ basically facing all the KWin problems from:
+ code in private/jmux/kde5+rsvg
+ "It compiles but doesn't run"
* Hackfests (Bjoern)
+ GNOME hack-fest in Madrid - Dec 2nd -> 4th (Jacobo)
+ Wiki page: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Madrid2015
+ FOSDEM / Beta Co-working (Bjoern)
+ next venues / suggestions
+ considering another Gran Canaria hack-fest (Thorsten)
+ March next year (?)
+ talked to them; lots of enthusiasm & desire for training.
+ Terni (Italy) this Saturday ( https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Terni2015 )
* Mentoring Update (JanI)
+ lots of announce / interest.
+ Discussed with Italo, to reward people on 1st patch, 10th patch (idea from Bubli)
+ come back wiht a proposal soon.
+ Added new blog for newcomers, will be tips and trix
+ on the planet.
+ started looked at "hanging" patches
+ digging through lingering patches;
+ not clear why they're not merged; just 1 submission.
+ have reviewed a few, comments in gerrit.
+ Preparing for madrid
+ use this as a start for a more active spanish community.
+ wanting Jan to talk about LibreOffice.
+ List of non active developers: next step
+ concern wrt. E-mailing (Kendy)
+ and add 1x more question - ok or not to contact
+ get tone really positive (Michael)
* l10n Update (Sophie)
* Developer Certification (Stephan/Bjoern/Kendy/Thorsten)
+ pending another 3 weeks, then will start a new round soon...
* Jenkins / CI update (Norbert)
+ interest at last ESC on how Jenkins stats are generated
+ can we auto-generate in dev-tools/scripts/esc-bug-stats.pl ?
+ please Linux Jenkins guys build with --enable-kde4 (Bubli)
+ to prevent vcl build breakages
+ check - is 'make check' run by CI ? (Michael)
+ not for gerrit patches; but is done for tinderboxes (Stephan)
from:Thu Nov 19 15:41:41 2015
master linux rel jobs:184 ok:136 ko:29 fail ratio:15.76% break:11 broken duration:7.8%
master linux dbg jobs:179 ok:28 ko:149 fail ratio:83.24% break:19 broken duration:72.99%
master mac rel jobs:174 ok:148 ko:12 fail ratio:6.89% break:4 broken duration:2.51%
master mac dbg jobs:172 ok:151 ko:9 fail ratio:5.23% break:6 broken duration:2.91%
master win rel jobs:84 ok:62 ko:19 fail ratio:22.61% break:10 broken duration:23.54%
master win dbg jobs:137 ok:97 ko:34 fail ratio:24.81% break:17 broken duration:31.27%
master win64 dbg jobs:125 ok:102 ko:19 fail ratio:15.19% break:9 broken duration:21.87%
lo-4.4 mac jobs:6 ok:4 ko:2 fail ratio:33.33% break:2 broken duration:56.26%
gerrit win rel jobs:205 ok:118 ko:83 fail ratio:40.48%
gerrit lin rel jobs:211 ok:166 ko:45 fail ratio:21.32%
gerrit mac rel jobs:211 ok:174 ko:37 fail ratio:17.53%
gerrit all jobs:205 ok:102 ko:99 fail ratio:48.29%
* Easy Hacks:
+ new easy-hacks thanks to: JanI, Samuel M.
+ create your own by setting whiteboard to eg.
"easyHack difficultyBeginner skillCpp topicCleanup"
+ create new easy hacks from these proposed ones
(or remove the whiteboard keyword "needsDevEval" if not feasible):
* QA update (Robinson)
+ UNCONFIRMED at 520 + 34 bugs in UX-advise
+ needAdvice at 16
+ New Status for 'abandoned' bugs: INSUFFICIENT DATA
+ will try that out; then adding it.
+ Most Pressing Bugs:
+ tdf#89034 - Text not being justified in Persian and other RTL languages
+ Common issue --> Tor working on it.
+ tdf#94689 - Crash on new file, close file, open file
+ look at it (Michael)
+ Mail merge regression concern (Bjoern)
+ having a look (Thorsten, Kendy)
* QA stats
Querying overall / top bug stats
+160 -87 (+73 overall)
many thanks to the top bug squashers:
Adolfo Jayme 6
Julien Nabet 5
V Stuart Foote 4
Samuel Mehrbrodt 4
Alex Thurgood 4
Cor Nouws 3
Maxim Monastirsky 3
Yousuf (Jay) Philips 3
Caolán McNamara 2
Mike Kaganski 2
Björn Michaelsen 2
Regina Henschel 2
* Highest-Priority bugs (aka "MABs"):
5.0: 11/49 - 22% +1
4.4: 11/72 - 15% +0
4.3: 6/67 - 8% +0
4.2: 11/133 - 8% +0
4.1: 4/79 - 5% +0
4.0: 10/81 - 12% -1
old: 40/247 - 16% +0
* Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibisected'
+ 343/1116 335/1103 336/1098 332/1088 341/1089 330/1074 324/1064
* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
+ 721(+8) bugs open of 4443(+24) total 43(-1) high prio.
* ~Component count net * high severity regressions
Calc - 20 (+0)
Writer - 12 (+1)
LibreOffice - 7 (+0)
Impress - 1 (-1)
graphics stack - 1 (+0)
Extensions - 1 (+0)
Base - 1 (+0)
UI - 0 (-1)
* ~Component count net * all regressions
Writer - 238 (+2)
Calc - 156 (+1)
Crashes - 55 (+1)
Impress - 48 (-1)
LibreOffice - 47 (+0)
UI - 42 (-2)
graphics stack - 32 (-1)
Borders - 30 (+1)
Base - 24 (+0)
Draw - 22 (-1)
filters and storage - 16 (+1)
BASIC - 13 (+0)
Printing and PDF export- 12 (+1)
Chart - 10 (+0)
Formula Editor - 5 (+0)
Extensions - 3 (+0)
Installation - 2 (+0)
framework - 2 (+0)
Linguistic - 2 (+0)
sdk - 1 (+0)
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