[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...
michael.meeks at collabora.com
Thu Aug 4 16:13:26 UTC 2016
+ Jan-Marek, Michael M, Kendy, Miklos, Christian, Caolán, Robinson, jan i, Sophie,
Bjoern, Heiko, Olivier, Eike, Michael S
* Completed Action Items:
+ re-work large-scale cosmetic change page proposal (Michael M)
* Pending Action Items:
+ poke at MSDN licenses (Michael)
[ waiting for a response on new process, on holiday ? ]
+ investigate a cron job that queries & auto-merges (Norbert)
[ the solution proposed by David - using his query & a JSON script
to refine it - will work - needs a bit more python (Norbert) ]
+ tweak UI and get LiveConnect API key / build case for board (Christian)
+ attempt to re-build a recent gstreamer 1.0 / core spec file
on our CentOS6 base (tdf#94508) (Christian)
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.1.5 and 5.2.0 released as final yesterday
+ 5.1.6 - in October
+ 5.2.1 RC1
+ due next week, tag Tuesday
+ RC2 2 week later
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ report wrt. performance regression in calc in 5.1.5 vs. 5.1.4 (Bjoern)
+ Linux issue, perhaps Idle related ?
+ not PPA only - TDF builds too, apparently only on old distros.
+ glib related problem ? (Michael)
* LibreOffice Conference in Brno (Kendy)
+ need to start weeding out weaker papers (Kendy)
+ and accepting people's papers.
AI: + Program committee to work on it (Kendy, Thorsten, Italo, Marina)
+ travelling to Brno -> fly to Prague / Vienna unlikely to go direct
(BMI has a flight from Munich, others from London).
+ Community-day -> no ESC, meet in the evening.
* Membership Committee plug (Michael)
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elections at documentfoundation.org (which reaches the Board of
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changes as soon as possible.
+ tooling uses git & is user-friendly for devs.
* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Added patch enhancing Classification (TSCP/BAF/BAILs) help page.
+ patch in gerrit.
+ Amend patch for Menu Help->Get Help Online.
+ infra will decide where to direct it
+ reviewing the Calc guide vs. 4.x - needs lots of updating for 5
* GSoC 2016 (?)
+ Next deadline is August 23rd for final evaluation.
+ reminder - blogging at a minimum helps docs / QA teams etc.
* Adding Breeze, Sifr, and Tango originals to LibO git / gerrit (Heiko)
+ Breeze was started by Nitro at github
+ the originals were there
+ this repo was abandoned / retired https://plus.google.com/+NitruxInside/posts/SoxqbwVaPjN
+ now somewhere else. https://github.com/apachelogger/plasma-next-icons
+ do we want to store it ?
+ Sifr, Tango added later by Jay
+ improved these icon sets
- be ideal to host them in our repo.
+ for now - only the SVG (which we don't use)
+ missing piece is ? (Michael)
+ commit access for contributors (Heiko)
+ will TDF be the maintainers or just have a copy (Cloph)
+ how well does it fit with our naming ? (Michael)
+ its LibreOffice focused anyway (Heiko)
+ so no re-naming / etc. needed
+ why not just do it in core ? (Bjoern)
+ just add the SVGs to core.git (Heiko)
+ for Elementary this is already the case (Bjoern)
=> find out who needs commit access & enable them to do it.
AI: + find out who those people are (Heiko)
+ encourage them to commit only to icon-themes/ and add SVGs.
* Anonymous/low reputation upvoting on ask.libreoffice (Heiko)
+ voting is not used because of the restrictive procedure (max v=11 at 7k views)
+ voting is just a minor additional cue to relevance, "spamming" would be white noise
+ get a better result if we give voting to more people ?
+ status on ask site is you need 5 karma points to up-vote (Cloph)
+ you gain 10 if your question is up-voted - so a very low bar
+ don't want spam questions to be up-voted before they use them.
+ just need to encourage people to vote (Cloph)
=> continue discussion with infra.
* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Published "How the Navigator may support object handling in LibreOffice Draw"
+ 1 retweet on twitter, 0 votes on reddit, +8 on G+, 0 comments
+ assuming people are happy with the conclusions.
+ Sidebar settings are stored in user profile
+ will cause problems on upgrading, as new content panel, e.g. page content panel in draw, wont be shown
+ same issue will happen for a few content panels being introduced in 5.3
+ creating new user profiles is not a great solution.
=> put it in a bug.
+ gerrit request for Breeze Dark (Kendy)
+ a theme, generated from Breeze via re-colouring
+ Tomaz had a patch that did dynamic re-colouring on the fly.
+ would be better - saving a chunk of space.
+ no time to finish the patch.
+ 1Mb of space.
+ more worried about git repo than installation.
=> merge it until we can improve that - but not for all themes.
* Crashtest update (Caolan)
+ 1 import failure, 0 export failures, coverity pending
+ timeout problem, now fixed.
+ one import failure - same for 2-3 runs in a row
+ doesn't happen on a single file test - odd.
+ no more RTF issues for 36 hours of testing
+ plan to run coverity on TDF test infrastructure.
* Hackfests (Bjoern)
+ next hackfests: nothing confirmed yet.
+ next venues / suggestions
+ Akademy / FSFE summit - in the week before LibOCon ? (Thorsten)
+ more suggestions welcome
* Mentoring/easyhack update (janI)
+ legend: contributors are not-yet-committers, numbers in () are +/- compared to last week
16823(0) commits in a year of which 7894(-136) were made directly, without use of gerrit
287(0) people made commits in a year, 64(-2) in a month. 12(10) people to be emailed
+ gerrit: committer open 65(-9) contributor open 70(23)
updated merged abandoned updated merged abandoned
year: 65(-9) 7364(99) 582(4) 70(23) 1565(37) 486(-3)
month: 64(-9) 651(27) 33(-17) 70(23) 186(25) 36(2)
week: 35(-5) 167(8) 8(-3) 40(18) 56(-9) 4(-3)
total 248(-2) open 215(-3) assigned 14(0)
needinfo 19(1) needsDevEval 473(-3) needsUXEval 155(3)
missing cleanup due to many comments 200(0)
+ top 5 contributors (based on merged patches last month):
Zdenek Crhonek got 83 patches merged, and have a total of 166 merged patches
Stanislav Horáček got 20 patches merged, and have a total of 79 merged patches
Winfried Donkers got 14 patches merged, and have a total of 38 merged patches
Susobhan Ghosh got 8 patches merged, and have a total of 20 merged patches
Muhammet Kara got 6 patches merged, and have a total of 50 merged patches
+ new easyHacks:
+ create your own by updating Keywords to eg. "easyHack, difficultyBeginner, skillCpp, topicCleanup"
+ please remember, a codepointer is mandatory, and typically a look from an experienced developer
+ create new easy hacks from these ones or remove "needsDevEval" if not feasible):
+ Vacation time, contributor patches pending review grows fast
+ planned wiki upgrade (move to new vm)
+ Implementing/Testing Pootle automation.
+ Aim is that translations are available in master with a delay of a few hours
+ lots of small diffs rather than one big change.
+ concern with repo size (Miklos)
+ will it blow up ?
+ lets wait and see & re-filter it later ? (Michael)
+ need to gc on it more frequently (Cloph)
+ Updated release engineering tasks (Sharing with Cloph)
+ Based on the changed https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/LargeScaleChanges, EASYHACK with largescale changes, will
have a comment added (and NEEDINFO, for the periods where unwanted), asking contributors, only to submit patches after agreement
+ This is done, to avoid demotivating contributors, who of course would like see their patch merged
+ 17 open patches and 14 Easyhacks that seems to fit the category
+ This clearly makes it more difficult to be a first time contributor, but maybe it will give more quality, time will tell
+ the concern is large scale cosmetic changes (Michael)
+ like German comments, need small changes to give a success (JanI)
+ agree - this is the purpose for this (Michael)
+ German comments == highly localized, non cosmetic change (Michael)
+ most people won't be able to do it, so a big win, not cosmetic (JMux)
+ would it help to have examples of large-scale cosmetic changes (Kendy)
+ and some examples that are acceptable.
+ twelve patches pending due to this (JanI)
+ the scale of this is the issue (Michael)
+ cosmetic changes are good - but when they become large we get problems
+ goal is to reduce merge conflicts (Bjoern)
+ if doing something good in a file anyway, will create a conflict
+ but painful if purely cosmetic change causes issues.
+ eg. indenting / automatically every 10th line in tons of files.
+ vs. a 30 line change.
+ biggest queued up one is 100 files (Mark Page)
=> reviewed, should definitely be done in the merge window (Kendy)
+ could split and merge parts of under-touched code if necessary
+ patch states generated by a script (JMux)
+ no easy-hack number there.
+ if there is a script - awesome - run it before next branch (Michael)
AI: + ask: can we get the script checked-in & queued up ? (JanI)
+ want to warn in the Easy Hack (JanI)
+ to let people see that these will be merged later
+ contributors submitting multiple contributions of this type get encouraged onwards.
+ already trying to encourage people to move to harder and more interesting patches.
+ don't think there is a clear bright line (Michael)
+ for a first patch, a localized cosmetic change or two is fine by me
+ in the grey area - its relational
=> close easy hacks like this for now, and open during merge window.
+ what do we do for very easy hacks ? (Michael)
+ mail people individually on request, encourage local cosmetic changes.
* Commit Access
* Developer Certification (Stephan/Bjoern/Kendy/Thorsten)
=> timeout for 4 weeks.
* Jenkins / CI update (Norbert)
* l10n (Sophie)
+ looking great, doing QA on it currently.
+ people are aiming at 5.2.1 RC1 to have full localization
* QA update (Robinson)
+ UNCONFIRMED: 675
+ flat from last-week.
+ no big 5.2.0 bug report up-tick
+ enhancements: 68
+ in ux-advise: 26
+ needAdvice at 60
+ Most Pressing Bugs:
+ tdf#92516 - "x" accelerator and mouse click not exiting StartCenter
in "File -> Exit LibreOffice" menu on Windows.
+ Continue to see dupe reports; in 5.2
+ Mail merge regressions
+ http://tdf.io/mmregressions (3 open; 4 open last meeting)
+ thanks to Bjoern - nailed toolbar lifecycle issue.
+ will dig through open, non-regression MM bugs.
* writer regressions (Bjoern)
+ since 5.0 no fully triaged, bibisected regression in writer
+ if you remove filters & perf. issues down to 25 bibisected issues (of 125).
+ are perf. regression a big part of our load ? (Michael)
+ not sure if they are, but hard to bibisect.
+ particularly with dbgutil build bibisection ! (Miklos)
+ do we have repositories ?
+ we have Windows + Mac, but not Linux. https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/admin/projects/?filter=bisect
+ filter issues are the main part
* QA stats
+120 -91 (+29 overall)
many thanks to the top bug squashers:
Caolán McNamara 17
Eike Rathke 7
Aron Budea 6
Heiko Tietze 4
V Stuart Foote 4
Adolfo Jayme 4
Alex Thurgood 2
Markus Mohrhard 2
Cor Nouws 2
jan iversen 2
* Highest-Priority bugs (aka "MABs"):
5.2: 1/16 - 6% +0
5.1: 1/29 - 3% -1
5.0: 7/53 - 13% +0
4.4: 7/73 - 9% +0
4.3: 5/69 - 7% +0
4.2: 8/133 - 6% +0
4.1: 4/79 - 5% +0
4.0: 8/82 - 9% -1
old: 32/247 - 12% -1
* Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibisected'
+ 333/1383 340/1383 348/1382 353/1378 359/1378 362/1374 364/1371
* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
+ 688(-13) bugs open of 5066(+22) total 11(+0) high prio.
* ~Component count net * high severity regressions
Calc - 4 (+0)
Writer - 4 (+0)
Impress - 1 (+0)
Base - 1 (+0)
LibreOffice - 1 (+0)
* ~Component count net * all regressions
Writer - 215 (-4)
Calc - 125 (-2)
Impress - 52 (-3)
LibreOffice - 44 (+0)
graphics stack - 38 (+0)
UI - 34 (-3)
Borders - 32 (+0)
Base - 31 (+0)
Crashes - 30 (+0)
Draw - 27 (+0)
filters and storage - 21 (+0)
Chart - 15 (+0)
Printing and PDF export- 11 (+0)
BASIC - 10 (+0)
Linguistic - 4 (+0)
Extensions - 3 (+0)
framework - 3 (+0)
Formula Editor - 3 (+0)
Installation - 1 (+0)
sdk - 1 (+1)
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