[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Nov-22

[Heiko Tietze]

Present: Maija, Sahil, Julia, Eyal, John, Cor, Heiko
Comments: LeroyG, Mike, Ady, Rafael, Werner, Tomaz, Csongor

Tickets/Topics

  * Conducting a survey around LibreOffice
    + How often would you accept a nag screen?
    + Would you appreciate a welcome screen with some initial questions?
    + ...
    + to bring the results into something actionable is challenging
      but expected by the participants (Cor)

  * Inconsistent behavior of "New style from selection" in Styles list
    and Styles menu
    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151563
    + works as expected in the Stylist but not anywhere else
    + add the "paragraph" to the string, at least (LeroyG)
    + alternative commands for every individual style (Mike)
    + not obvious that the command uno:StyleNewByExample is needed
      in menu/toolbar/shortcut (Eyal)
      + not so important (Cor, John)
    + drop customizability and access in the UI except the Stylist (Heiko)
      + drawback is that one needs to activate the Stylist
      + extra UNO commands would be needed for the Notebookbars too (John)
    + change just the title for now (Cor, Eyal)
    + PS can be added by directly adding the name to the styles toolbar
      control and we could provide an analogue control for CS (Cor)
    => change command title


  * add UNO command for Hidden font effect of characters in Writer
    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158168
    + easy to customize via user-defined character style (Heiko)
    + disagree since it means to multiply CS (Eyal)
    + suggest to add it as DF (Eyal, John)
    + depending on the use case it be necessary to add the attribute
      on top of any format; example workflow is to have words in different
      language next to each other and hide one or the other (Cor)
    + but tend to agree with WF/NAB (Cor)
    => add UNO command (but dont show on the UI by default)

  * Sidebar pane shortcuts conflict with Alt+NumPad input
    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158112
    + alt+num code is used to insert characters not on the keyboard (Ady)
    + make it depending on the OS/DE (Eyal)
    + use alt+shift+<num> (Heiko)
      + Acceptable (Eyal)
    + remove shortcuts, or make it so users can customize it
      + no so good (Eyal)
    + involve a11y into the discussion (Eyal)
    + ctrl+alt+<num> is available for customization!
    => comment

  * Add 'shuffle' or 'random' option to 'Sort' dialog
    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158196
    + functionality not available in Excel too
    + agree to the need for UNO command to shuffling cell range,
      rows, columns (Rafael)
    + better suited for Sheet > Fill Cells (Werner)
      + definitely not (Tomaz)
    + frequently needed; best suited for the sort dialog as another
      option after ascending/descending (Csongor)
    + wonder if randomization needs to have a start value to get
      the same result repeatedly (Eyal)
      + should not (Cor)
    + expect it as extra command under Data among Sort (John)
    + bloats the dialog (Cor)
    + would rather like to see it in the dialog; would be more
      visible (Eyal)
    + hard to wrap the mind around sort first by col A, the
      by random B, and finally by C (Heiko)
    => UNO command might be the best choice
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