ESC meeting minutes: 2025-07-03
Stephan Bergmann
stephan.bergmann at collabora.com
Thu Jul 3 14:35:16 UTC 2025
* Present:
+ Cloph, Jonathan, Michael W., Regina, Caolan, Stephan, Olivier,
Ilmari, Heiko, Xisco
* Completed Action Items:
+ ESC composition: take it to the board (Cloph) -> email was sent
* Pending Action Items:
* Release Engineering update (Cloph)
+ 25.8 rc1 this week: still on the libreoffice-25-8 branch
+ marks the date when you need an additional review on the branch
+ tagging will be done tomorrow
+ still some outstanding changes (Michael W.):
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/187262 contains
string changes
+ 25.2.5 rc2 next week
+ 26.2
+ runtime requirement bump for macOS: Will require macOS 11 or
later (for skia)
+ marked in 25.8 rel notes that it will be the last one for macOS 10
+ Windows Arm64 (Aarch64) MSI installer for 25.2.4 seems invalid (Xisco)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166947
+ Cloph will look into it
+ x86 Win - drop support from 26.2? (Ilmari)
+ deprecated for 25.8 (Cloph)
+ no hard feelings re dropping it for 26.2 or not
+ look at download numbers, decide then (Cloph)
+ could allow to simplify the code then (Ilmari)
+ Make split build mandatory? (Ilmari)
+ builddir != srcdir
+ would remove need for .gitignore
+ would have solved Regina's issue
+ nicer experience for devs when builddir == srcdir (Stephan)
+ wouldn't be happy if we enforce that
+ might cause issues for distro builds? (Caolan)
+ also would affect ossfuzz etc.
+ might cause issues for android build, where split build
presumably failed
(Michael W.)
+ warning at the end of configure? (Caolan)
+ would be nice if build didn't touch srcdir (python bytecode) (Cloph)
+ split build implications on instdir? (Olivier)
+ will be created fine in the builddir (Cloph)
* Documentation (Olivier)
+ Helpcontents
+ Update and fixes (ohallot, J. Nabet)
+ Guides
+ Calc Guide 25.2 published and announced.
+ release notes
+ Added several images on UI improvements
+ Please remember to illustrate your work!
+ Concern on features that requires expert configuration.
+ for doc' + marketing purposes
+ some still hard to verify
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143157
+ Bugzilla Documentation statistics
219(219) bugs open
+ Updates:
BZ changes 1 week 1 month 3 months 12 months
created 5(-2) 16(-1) 58(-2) 274(2)
commented 25(5) 99(59) 264(61) 898(83)
resolved 4(2) 9(1) 31(1) 146(3)
+ top 10 contributors:
Olivier Hallot made 38 changes in 1 month, and 382 changes in
1 year
Heiko Tietze made 33 changes in 1 month, and 90 changes in 1 year
Lars Jødal made 18 changes in 1 month, and 18 changes in 1 year
Eyal Rozenberg made 14 changes in 1 month, and 47 changes in
1 year
Vernon, Stuart Foote made 14 changes in 1 month, and 94
changes in 1 year
Nabet, Julien made 13 changes in 1 month, and 73 changes in 1
year
nobu made 7 changes in 1 month, and 21 changes in 1 year
Telesto made 6 changes in 1 month, and 13 changes in 1 year
Adalbert Hanßen made 5 changes in 1 month, and 6 changes in 1
year
Pierre made 5 changes in 1 month, and 28 changes in 1 year
* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
220(220) (topicUI) bugs open, 10(10) (needsUXEval) needs to be
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes 1 week 1 month 3 months 12 months
added 6(5) 7(1) 9(1) 13(1)
commented 31(11) 63(-18) 137(-20) 944(-38)
removed 1(1) 1(1) 3(1) 7(1)
resolved 2(-3) 10(1) 29(-1) 168(-1)
+ top 10 contributors:
Heiko Tietze made 32 changes in 1 month, and 448 changes in 1
year
Vernon, Stuart Foote made 32 changes in 1 month, and 295
changes in 1 year
Eyal Rozenberg made 28 changes in 1 month, and 164 changes in
1 year
Kaganski, Mike made 13 changes in 1 month, and 33 changes in
1 year
Ilmari Lauhakangas made 7 changes in 1 month, and 184 changes
in 1 year
Xisco Fauli made 6 changes in 1 month, and 11 changes in 1 year
Deepanshu Sharma made 3 changes in 1 month, and 3 changes in
1 year
Dennis Roczek made 3 changes in 1 month, and 11 changes in 1 year
Timur Gadzo made 3 changes in 1 month, and 12 changes in 1 year
Balland-Poirier, Laurent made 2 changes in 1 month, and 7
changes in 1 year
+ [Bug 167311] Improve Embedding a multi-page document by OLE into
writer,
currently only shows the first page
-> + [Bug 167318] Drop Image maps ?
+ from late 20th century
+ generates binary data format; controversial discussion on the
ticket
+ more comments welcome
+ difference between map is stored vs. map is used (Regina)
+ not clear in the bug report
+ using the image map in LO is useful; saving it out is not
+ baffled that anybody might find it useful (Heiko)
+ doesn't understand the feature at all
+ still widely common (in Japan) (Cloph)
+ might need to keep it for roundtrip-preserving compatibiliy
+ [Bug 151577] Writer PDF import filter should default to producing
paragraphs
of text, not drawing objects
+ [Bug 167305] Should not let "dark-mode-ness" of theme and of icon
theme
diverge implicitly
+ [Bug 167275] Assigning shortcuts to special characters in
LibreOffice Writer
+ [Bug 167266] No separation between toolbar and main window area -
neither
by background nor by separator
+ [Bug 167259] Shorten some command labels (for toolbar & tabbed UI)
+ [Bug 167240] Support multiple author identities
* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 181(+11) import failure, 29(+3) export failures
- https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Crashtesting
- 196 :-(, fixes for 4 largest newest crashes now bisected and
fixes submitted
+ hope things improve again from there
+ 4 coverity issues
+ 4 ossfuzz issues
- all timeouts, recent crashes fixed
* Crash Reporting (from crashreport.libreoffice.org) (Xisco)
+ 25.2.1.2 27809(+197)
+ 25.2.2.2 47285(+586)
+ 25.2.3.2 20883(+488)
+ 25.2.4.3 19850(+9294)
+
https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/signature/SwRedlineAcceptDlg::SwRedlineAcceptDlg(std::shared_ptr%3Cweld::Window%3E,weld::Builder%20*,weld::Container%20*,bool)
- related to tdf#161717
+ no further info yet, trying to reproduce (Xisco)
* mentoring/easyhack update (Ilmari)
committer... 1 week 1 month 3 months 12 months
open 60(-14) 111(-21) 111(-33) 111(-33)
reviews 354(94) 1102(-34) 2614(-96) 11208(-840)
merged 360(83) 1072(62) 3012(83) 12729(-345)
abandoned 16(4) 48(8) 150(3) 666(-9)
own commits 236(24) 759(19) 2337(83) 9819(94)
review commits 30(-19) 155(-11) 486(-25) 2658(-36)
contributor... 1 week 1 month 3 months 12 months
open 39(9) 134(1) 134(-11) 134(-11)
reviews 946(138) 2870(86) 7376(118) 31758(646)
merged 11(-2) 86(-25) 361(-2) 2385(368)
abandoned 6(-3) 523(-2) 1102(-6) 1528(10)
own commits 7(-6) 55(-7) 165(-22) 1109(-31)
review commits 0(0) 0(0) 0(0) 0(0)
+ easyHack statistics:
needsDevEval 9(9) needsUXEval 1(1) cleanup_comments 346(346)
total 413(413) assigned 49(49) open 325(325)
+ top 10 contributors:
Bogdan B made 16 patches in 1 month, and 243 patches in 1 year
Simon Chenery made 7 patches in 1 month, and 63 patches in 1 year
Sam James made 3 patches in 1 month, and 3 patches in 1 year
Kurt Nordback made 3 patches in 1 month, and 9 patches in 1 year
Srebotnjak, Martin made 2 patches in 1 month, and 10 patches
in 1 year
Weblate made 2 patches in 1 month, and 20 patches in 1 year
Mihai Vasiliu made 2 patches in 1 month, and 3 patches in 1 year
Pierre made 2 patches in 1 month, and 2 patches in 1 year
Oscar Megía made 2 patches in 1 month, and 2 patches in 1 year
Rafał Dobrakowski made 1 patches in 1 month, and 3 patches in
1 year
+ top 10 reviewers:
Xisco Fauli made 126 review comments in 1 month, and 804 in 1
year
Vajna, Miklos made 98 review comments in 1 month, and 1132 in
1 year
Ilmari Lauhakangas made 84 review comments in 1 month, and
770 in 1 year
Weghorn, Michael made 78 review comments in 1 month, and 522
in 1 year
Christian Lohmaier made 70 review comments in 1 month, and
814 in 1 year
Kaganski, Mike made 60 review comments in 1 month, and 542 in
1 year
Hossein made 56 review comments in 1 month, and 298 in 1 year
Nabet, Julien made 52 review comments in 1 month, and 720 in
1 year
Adolfo Jayme Barrientos made 50 review comments in 1 month,
and 914 in 1 year
Vajngerl, Tomaž made 48 review comments in 1 month, and 404
in 1 year
+ Patches automatically abandoned:
tdf#149660: DOCX import: do not confuse FORMULA field ( Vasily
Melenchuk )
- https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/155742
tdf#60909 Out of Space warning dialog added during saving. (
Hassan Sajjad )
- https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/164630
odfvalidator: upgrade to 0.12.0 ( Xisco Fauli )
- https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/172611
make the SvxUnoText inherit from OWeakAggObject virtually (
Noel Grandin )
- https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/173210
vcl: test BitmapDuoToneFilter ( Chris Sherlock )
- https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/173747
vcl: split OWizardPage into own source file ( Chris Sherlock )
- https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/179669
tdf#62525: use cow_wrapper for Image ( Mohamed Ali )
- https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/181306
tdf#145614: Refactored AVMEDIA string constants from #define to
enum ( Faisal Mujawar )
- https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/183266
+ big CONGRATULATIONS to contributors who have at least 1 merged
patch, since last report:
Gabor Kelemen gabor.kelemen at collabora.com
* GSoC (Ilmari)
+ https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline
+ 14 July: midterm evaluations for standard length projects
* Commit Access
* Developer Certification (Stephan/László)
+ resting since: 8 weeks (limit: 20 weeks)
* Jenkins / CI update (Cloph)
gerrit_android_aarch64 jobs: 137 ok: 133 ko: 3 fail ratio: 2.19%
mean_ok: 8 ( 24) median_ok: 5 ( 13)
gerrit_android_arm jobs: 136 ok: 131 ko: 3 fail ratio: 2.21%
mean_ok: 7 ( 22) median_ok: 5 ( 13)
gerrit_android_x86 jobs: 136 ok: 131 ko: 5 fail ratio: 3.68%
mean_ok: 8 ( 24) median_ok: 6 ( 13)
gerrit_android_x86_64 jobs: 136 ok: 132 ko: 2 fail ratio: 1.47%
mean_ok: 7 ( 23) median_ok: 6 ( 13)
gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil jobs: 276 ok: 228 ko: 37 fail ratio: 13.41%
mean_ok: 38 ( 50) median_ok: 36 ( 41)
gerrit_linux_gcc_release jobs: 324 ok: 258 ko: 43 fail ratio: 13.27%
mean_ok: 21 ( 32) median_ok: 19 ( 22)
gerrit_mac jobs: 288 ok: 242 ko: 33 fail ratio: 11.46%
mean_ok: 53 ( 54) median_ok: 46 ( 46)
gerrit_windows jobs: 318 ok: 225 ko: 84 fail ratio: 26.42%
mean_ok: 39 ( 41) median_ok: 37 ( 37)
gerrit_master_ml jobs: 380 ok: 197 ko: 148 fail ratio: 38.95%
mean_ok: 81 ( 81) median_ok: 69 ( 70)
gerrit_master jobs: 55 ok: 23 ko: 27 fail ratio: 49.09%
mean_ok: 60 ( 60) median_ok: 49 ( 49)
gerrit_master_seq jobs: 322 ok: 176 ko: 116 fail ratio: 36.02%
mean_ok: 83 ( 83) median_ok: 73 ( 73)
+ tests that failed more than twice in last seven days
3 UITest_impress_tests gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
9 CppunitTest_sw_uwriter gerrit_linux_gcc_release
14 aborted by jenkins job timeout gerrit_windows
18 CppunitTest_editeng_core gerrit_windows
+ editeng one bot issue / test failure when using desktop-scaling in
RDP connection
+ timeout-killed jobs might be related to machines also doing daily
builds and their
xslt processes hanging, or something
+ bug on windows with meson/python if environment contains value
with "ü"
+ e.g.
https://ci.libreoffice.org/job/gerrit_windows/200488/console#:~:text=codec%20can%27t%20decode%20byte%200x81
+ if someone is familiar with python charsets/any idea why it ends
up as 0x81 despite codepage 1252 being detected as default locale/UTF-8
is used in terminal…
sys.stdin.encoding --> 'utf-8',
locale.getpreferredencoding(do_setlocale=False) --> 'cp1252'
+ to reproduce: export FOO=ü and make harfbuzz
+ workaround in jenkins: unset GERRIT/GIT author variables
* What’s cooking (Miklos)
+ A11y update (Michael W)
+ tdf#100876 ("Difficulty to discover the Slide Pane")
+ tdf#167296 ("NVDA does not announce slide newly focused/selected
in Impress
slide view)
+ tdf#167338 ("Envelope orientation radio buttons in Writer's
Envelope dialog
are not properly announced by screen readers")
+ tdf#167279 ("Paragraph style Borders dialog 'Line Arrangement' widget
misconfigured keyboard accessible events")
+ upstream Accerciser/Qt improvements related to a11y role change
events
+ RTL/CTL/CJK update (Jonathan)
+ nothing exciting to report
+ investigating microsoft font tables
+ investigating skia text rendering issues
* Bump Linux baseline for master to AlmaLinux 9? (Michael W)
+ released in May 2022
+ newer clang + gcc versions
+ GTK 3: 3.22 -> 3.24, ATK: 2.28 -> 2.36
+ would allow unifying some gtk3/gtk4 code
(GtkEventControllerKey added in 3.24)
+ support for accessible IDs in TDF builds (added in ATK 2.34)
+ support for building gtk4 and qt6 VCL plugins
+ how would it affect users? (Cloph)
+ what other distros would fall by the wayside?
+ any idea what problematic distro versions could be? (Michael)
+ no idea off the top of my head (Cloph)
+ look at distro lists
+ ping Rene re Debian (Ilmari)
+ Special release notes section for features that require expert
configuration?
(Olivier)
+ so that it's obvious that these features are not available by default
* QA update (Xisco)
+ UNCONFIRMED: 1746 (+61)
+ enhancements: 480 (+11)
+ needsUXEval: 6 (+2)
+ haveBackTrace: 15 (+0)
+ needsDevAdvice: 47 (+0)
+ documentation: 3 (-1)
+ android: 0 (+0)
+ iOS: 0 (+0)
+ Online: 6 (+0)
+ Most pressing bugs:
New:
None
+ New high severity bugs of the week:
+ Improve method for user, or admin, to block MAR updater
(comment 6 for an env variable) workarounds otherwise
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164757
+ Windows Arm64 (Aarch64) MSI installer for 25.2.4 seems invalid
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166947
* QA stats
+
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
+142 -22 (-83) overall)
many thanks to the top bug squashers:
Heiko Tietze 16
Mike Kaganski 13
V Stuart Foote 7
Olivier Hallot 5
Caolán McNamara 4
Michael Weghorn 4
Khaled Hosny 3
Noel Grandin 3
m_a_riosv 3
Julien Nabet 2
+ top 10 bugs reporters:
Heiko Tietze 10
Telesto 9
Eyal Rozenberg 8
Gabor Kelemen (allotropia) 6
Xisco Faulí 3
Jonathan Clark 2
Larsen 2
Michael Weghorn 2
Mihai Vasiliu 2
Mike Kaganski 2
+ top 10 bugs fixers:
Heiko Tietze 10
Kaganski, Mike 10
Weghorn, Michael 4
Caolán McNamara 3
Grandin, Noel 3
Justin Luth 2
Nabet, Julien 2
BDF 1
Bayram Çiçek 1
Daniele 1
+ top 10 bugs confirmers:
Heiko Tietze 12
Vernon, Stuart Foote 8
Ilmari Lauhakangas 7
m.a.riosv 7
Xisco Fauli 5
Kaganski, Mike 4
Weghorn, Michael 4
*UNKNOWN* 3
Nabet, Julien 2
Raal 2
* Bisected bugs open: keyword 'bisected'
+ more accurate - down to a single commit.
+ http://bit.ly/2dyIfDy
+
done by:
vijaya chandra 4
Xisco Fauli 4
Weghorn, Michael 1
* Bibisected bugs open: keyword 'bibisected'
+ http://bit.ly/2cSCXlS
+
done by:
vijaya chandra 4
Xisco Fauli 4
Weghorn, Michael 1
* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
+ 1257(-2) bugs open of 14158(+13) total 20(-1) high prio.
done by:
Raal 3
vijaya chandra 2
Xisco Fauli 2
Telesto 1
* ~Component count net * high severity regressions
+ http://bit.ly/1HWHb3E
Writer - 9(+0)
Calc - 6(+0)
LibreOffice - 3(-1)
Impress - 1(+0)
UI - 1(+0)
by OS:
All - 15(-1)
Linux - 5(+0)
Mac OS X - 0(+0)
Windows - 0(+0)
* ~Component count net * all regressions
+ http://bit.ly/1BUdI8i
Writer: other - 417(+1)
Calc - 249(-2)
Impress - 129(+0)
LibreOffice - 56(-1)
Draw - 48(+0)
Writer: docx filter - 44(-1)
Crashes - 42(-2)
UI - 38(-1)
Base - 35(+0)
Borders - 35(+0)
Writer: perf - 32(+1)
Writer: other filter - 30(+0)
filters and storage - 29(+0)
Chart - 26(+0)
Printing and PDF export - 23(+0)
RTL - 22(+0)
BASIC - 18(+0)
Writer: doc filter - 18(+0)
graphics stack - 15(+0)
Formula Editor - 9(+0)
framework - 3(+0)
sdk - 3(+0)
Extensions - 2(-1)
Linguistic - 2(+0)
Installation - 1(+0)
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