[Libreoffice-ux-advise] drawing toolbar interactions

Christoph Noack christoph at dogmatux.com
Mon Aug 1 09:01:04 PDT 2011

Hi Michael,

hey, you manage your mails quite well ... :-)

Am Montag, den 01.08.2011, 16:30 +0100 schrieb Michael Meeks:
> Hi Christophe,
> On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 13:22 +0200, Christoph Noack wrote:
> > No, no mis-understanding in general - it is about whether people are
> > able to understand the behavior. Simply "enabling a toolbar icon" isn't
> > enough in such case. Example:
> 	Ah - ok; well - we could turn the grid on while in this mode to provide
> some visual indication ;-) presumably it is most useful when drawing.

More useful than when moving objects? No, it would make the behavior
less predictable ...

> > In our case it seems, that we want to copy a fragment (sticky behavior)
> > of this "advanced drawing capability" for e.g. Draw/Impress - without
> > thinking what will be the consequences.
> 	Nah - we're asking you to think about the consequences :-) and Federico
> has a reasonably complete proposal I guess, might be better to put it
> into the wiki so it can be edited, but ...
> > At the end, it it about whether our users can cope with such behavior
> > and whether it is an improvement for them. At the moment, I don't have
> > sufficient information to provide a (guessed) statement.
> 	Well - we have at least one user complaining about it, and one that has
> a lot of relevant UI experience, and who has provided a patch :-) If
> there is no data on whether users can cope either way - I'd personally
> love to change it. 

Again, I still don't know whether we affect the behavior for Impress as
well. And, you don't need data to know that "missing feedback" will
drive a lot of people nuts :-) And, hey, I don't understand the argument
having one person "complaining" about a given behavior ... but needing a
lot of user data whether those people (not complaining, or not being
heard) can cope with the new behavior. ;-)

So, if the change gets applied, then I really recommend to think about
the feedback and the "how to dismiss those modes" for the user. I
provided my some proposals and I'm happy to cooperate with Frederico to
collect the available information on a Whiteboard (or everywhere else).

> If we are passionate enough about the old way, we can
> have "yet another option" - and eventually hide it in a new mozilla-like
> options list (perhaps) ;-)

Well, although this might be a surprise, I don't like options that much.
Options are sometimes helpful, but usually a "the guys didn't knew it
better" - so I'm rather for a sane behavior.


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