[Libreoffice-ux-advise] The "no border text" feature in Writer 3.5 is not complete

Jan Holesovsky kendy at suse.cz
Wed Feb 15 02:44:31 PST 2012

Hi NoOp, Jean-Francois,

NoOp píše v Út 14. 02. 2012 v 20:16 -0800:
> > So, introducing the new feature is ok for me as it may help some users. 
> > But this decision should not interfere with satisfied users who now 
> > *lack* an important visual clue when devising their documents. In the 
> > previous releases, the option was there: users could display or hide the 
> > text limits; why change that?

Thank you very much for the feedback!  The change was discussed here,
mostly with Christoph [cc'd], see:


Basically it comes from the design that was proposed already in the OOo
times, see http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/DocumentBorder .
The current (3.5) design looked as the best option, was in the daily
builds [http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/] for several months,
and nobody complained - so we were happy with it; what a pity that you
haven't pointed it out earlier :-(

The good news is - nothing is lost!  It is just code, and can be
changed.  It is here:


[the method lcl_CreatePageAreaDelimiterPrimitives()], please play with
it a bit, and try to come up with something that will be both pretty,
and will fit your needs - I am sorry, but we do not want just to switch
back to the old behavior, it was so 90's, and we have already been
getting too much beating for looking old, and obsolete.

If you need any help, please come to the #libreoffice-dev on

> So is this the correct list, or is the design list more appropriate?

The design list has much broader goal than this mailing list - it
involves website design discussions, general discussions, etc.  The goal
of libreoffice-ux-advise@ is to get quick feedback on patches that
involve usability, and tight and fast designers + hackers co-operation.
Please join if you are interested!

>  If
> the latter is the case, then it appears that this request from January
> has been ignored:
> <http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg03578.html>
> [libreoffice-design] Text boundaries like 3.4.x

We have too many switches already, sorry, adding more options is not
what we want.  Even with the 'borders' feature we were able to find a
solution that fits all involved, I am sure we will succeed here too.

> doesn't seem to address the issue. So how can a change like this be
> changed without a specific bug report?

Easily - somebody creates a patch, sends info about that to this list,
and then it is is discussed here.  If it does not fit as it is, then it
is tweaked until both the original developer + the UX people are all
happy :-)

All the best,

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