[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81132] Removal of formatting options from the right-click context menu in Writer

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https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81132

--- Comment #34 from Jay Philips <philipz85 at hotmail.com> ---
Created attachment 105364
  --> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=105364&action=edit
Context Menu Comparison - LibO vs MS Word vs WordPerfect

(In reply to comment #32)
> I agree with Jean-Baptiste Faure, Eike Rathke, and Christophe Strobbe that
> it's a bad idea to reduce the functionality of right-click menus for two
> reasons. First of all, After selecting a section, the fastest way to edit is
> right click -> Fonts. Unlike navigating to the sidebar or toolbar,
> right-clicking requires no mouse movement.

Yes the fastest means is definitely to right-click after a selection, but what
use is right-click -> Fonts when you dont even have the full list of the fonts
(bug 34085). A bug that has been around for 3 years.

> Secondly, users from other suites
> all expect fonts in the right-click menu. Word 2007, 2013, and Word Perfect
> all have it there.

MS Word and WordPerfect do not have it in their context menus. MS Word has a
hovering direct formatting box that appears even if you dont open the context
menu. WordPerect x7 only has a 'Font...' entry in its context menu.

> Jay's argument that it's already in the toolbar and sidebar is a red
> herring. That's a UX issue with the toolbars and sidebars.

When you have stats that more people click bold in the toolbar (84%) then they
do it in the context menu (0.25%), that pretty much speaks for itself. Bold is
the number 1 direct formatting option and the number 4 used option in writer,
only behind paste, save and copy.

> When the sidebar
> is enabled, the redundant toolbar items should be hidden. But that's a
> separate issue.

Only when the sidebar is implemented like IBM Symphony will it truly be
possible to eliminate the toolbar. Even if it was possible to replace the
formatting toolbar, which it presently isn't (bug 73071), when you click on an
image or table another toolbar pops up.

> In 4.4, we've already moved cut,copy, and paste to the top, resolving Jay's
> primary complaint.

My primary complaint is that the context menu is to large and the larger it is,
the longer it takes to navigate to the item you really need.

Selection Context Menu Sizes
MS Word      : 11
Libreoffice  : 16
WordPerfect  : 17

> Instead of rushing to pare down the right-click menu in
> 4.4 without a replacement in place, let's now work on Niklas Johansson's
> ideas to make the right-click menu context aware. 

Without removing bloat, add enhancements will simply make it more difficult to
get to the think that you are looking for. I would love to check Niklas' ideas
if you could let me know his bug number, as i also wanted to suggest contextual
aware additions to the menu.

> If "Fonts" and "Size" have to be removed, then "Character" should be renamed
> "Fonts".

Yes 'Fonts' is pretty much the universal wording for this - MS Word,
WordPerfect, Kingsoft Writer, Abiword

(In reply to comment #33)
> Are you sure I wrote that :)  In comment 4 I express my concerns about
> removing.

Sorry Cor, that was my bad. I meant Meeks. :)

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