[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 83830] SIDEBAR: Proposal for the creation of a page tab

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https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83830

--- Comment #7 from Mirek2 <mazelm at gmail.com> ---
Hi again,

(In reply to comment #5)
> (In reply to comment #3)
> > I'm sorely missing page styles, which should really be the highlight here. A
> > button offering to update the page style when it changes (a la styles in
> > Pages: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=73071#c17) would be
> > great.
> 
> A page styles drop down isnt needed as a user can easily change the page's
> assigned page style in the statusbar and 'styles and formatting' tab.

The statusbar is a terrible place to set the page style at -- I hope that
element gets removed, because the status bar really should be about showing
status, not setting options.

Yes, it's also under "Styles and Formatting", but given that this is a Page
properties panel, the current page style belongs here as well.

> When users are modifying the data in the page tab, they are modifying the style.
> :)

Though it seems counter-intuitive based on how other styles work, you're right.

> > Orientation makes more sense as a button, as it's binary.
> 
> Yes it is binary, but it would simply take up 2 lines for no real benefit.

Why would it take up 2 lines? All that's needed is a button that reads "Switch
to Portrait Orientation" when in landscape orientation and "Switch to Landscape
Orientation" when in portrait.

The benefit here is the much simpler interaction -- a simple click rather than
click, move mouse, click again.

> > I'd prefer "Paper Format" as a category heading rather than "Format".
> > "Format" could apply to any of the properties, the "Paper" part makes it
> > clear what it's about.
> 
> The heading of the tab is 'Page', so it is to be understood that 'Format' is
> 'Page Format'.

That's why I said "Paper Format" -- these are properties related to the paper
you'll be printing on.

> > I don't think "Others" should be a section -- try to organize it. I'd
> > suggest to put Layout, Columns, and Numbers (called "Format" under "Layout
> > settings" in LibreOffice) under a "Layout" section.
> 
> 'Others' is the temporary label i've gone with the for the time being as
> something more useful hasnt popped to mind. 'Layout' isnt suitable as there
> is already a Layout entry.

In the formatting dialog, "Page layout" is an entry under "Layout settings".
You could do the same thing.
> 
> > I'm not sure about
> > "Background". Is the background printed with the document, or does it just
> > imply the color of the paper to print on? If it's the latter, then I'd
> > suggest Paper Format. Then again, since you didn't include all page
> > properties, I'm thinking Background is one of the least important items to
> > include. I wouldn't include it, at least not in Writer.
> 
> Background is from the background/area tab in the page style drop down. It
> is useful as it is highly used in impress and draw.

That's why I suggested to make separate mockups for different modules. Writer
is primarily about printable pages of text, so it's useful to know whether the
background will be printed or not (please answer my question about that).
Impress and Draw tend to be presented on-screen and it generally always makes
sense to print the slide background along with the slide, since it's such an
inseparable part of the slide.

> > Lastly, I think designing a one-size-fits-all Page panel is suboptimal (e.g.
> > not all modules have page styles). I'd suggest to look at each module
> > individually and propose one for each (keeping the same structure, though).
> 
> There isnt a need to make multiple ones because very little is being changed
> between the modules, as can be seen in attachment 106236 [details]. I have
> also removed header and footer details from the 'Others' section, as it wont
> be utilized in impress and draw, so it wont be shown there.

But the prioritization is different. For example, margins are much more
important than the page background in Writer, but the opposite is true in
Impress.

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