[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 83830] SIDEBAR: Proposal for the creation of a page tab

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https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83830

--- Comment #10 from Jay Philips <philipz85 at hotmail.com> ---
(In reply to comment #7)
> Hi again,

Hey Mirek,

> The statusbar is a terrible place to set the page style at -- I hope that
> element gets removed, because the status bar really should be about showing
> status, not setting options.

I think its a convenient way to set it rather than having to go into the
'Styles and Formatting' dialog to do it there. As you feel that the statusbar
shouldnt be used to set status, are you also looking to have the zoom slider
removed.

> Yes, it's also under "Styles and Formatting", but given that this is a Page
> properties panel, the current page style belongs here as well.

This is a page style properties panel for the modification of the current page
style, in the same way that the page style dialog modifies the currently set
page style.

> Though it seems counter-intuitive based on how other styles work, you're
> right.

Yep page styles are a funny thing when you compare it with paragraph and
character styles.

> Why would it take up 2 lines? All that's needed is a button that reads
> "Switch to Portrait Orientation" when in landscape orientation and "Switch
> to Landscape Orientation" when in portrait.

Well i was going with the idea that it was going to be radio buttons, like in
the dialog, but I guess a single clickable button to switch the orientation
will work.

> The benefit here is the much simpler interaction -- a simple click rather
> than click, move mouse, click again.

Yes a single click would always be preferable, though i dont see that click,
move mouse, click again is that much of a disadvantage.


> That's why I said "Paper Format" -- these are properties related to the
> paper you'll be printing on.

Guess this is something we wont agree on. Ultimately, i'm keeping headings as
just single words.

> In the formatting dialog, "Page layout" is an entry under "Layout settings".
> You could do the same thing.

Those labels dont make sense to me, and i'd assume others as well, so i've
chosen not to use them. The words 'Page Layout' can mean a number of things to
a number of people. I'd assume most people would consider 'Page Layout' to be
how things are laid out on the page, similar to how you have slide layout in
impress.

> That's why I suggested to make separate mockups for different modules.
> Writer is primarily about printable pages of text, so it's useful to know
> whether the background will be printed or not (please answer my question
> about that). Impress and Draw tend to be presented on-screen and it
> generally always makes sense to print the slide background along with the
> slide, since it's such an inseparable part of the slide.

As background is used in all modules, there isnt a need to eliminate it from
the writer sidebar. Regarding whether the background color is printed or not,
i'd assume it is printed and not about the paper color, as you can set the
background as an image, a color gradient, etc.

> But the prioritization is different. For example, margins are much more
> important than the page background in Writer, but the opposite is true in
> Impress.

Well the sections could be swapped depending on the use case of a particular
app but i think its best to keep the sidebar looking the same across multiple
apps. We dont reorganize other sidebar content depending on what is used more
in other apps.

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