[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 60411] CONFIGURATION: Active toolbars not remembered after reopening

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60411

Yousuf (Jay) Philips <philipz85 at hotmail.com> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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                 CC|                            |philipz85 at hotmail.com
          Component|Writer                      |UI
            Summary|CONFIGURATION: Writer don't |CONFIGURATION: Active
                   |remember the toolbars       |toolbars not remembered
                   |                            |after reopening
         Whiteboard|BSA                         |BSA needsDevEval topicUI

--- Comment #8 from Yousuf (Jay) Philips <philipz85 at hotmail.com> ---
(In reply to Norbert X from comment #6)
> I think that dynamic appearance/disappearance of toolbars is not a good idea.

There isnt another toolbar means of accessing functions for contextual content
than with contextual toolbars, but its important to try and reduce the need of
the contextual toolbars from changing the appearance of the document view if
possible.

> For me it is comfortable to place toolbars once and use them when I want to
> use them, not contextually (current object- or action- dependent).

Yes that maybe a useful option for advanced users, but not for basic users.
Advanced users in the QA team have mentioned that they disable the appearance
of contextual toolbars like the table toolbar.

> But now in 4.3.2 toolbars disappear even if they have Lock Toolbar Position
> option checked. Please enable static toolbar positions. 

Locking a toolbar position is different that disabling it from being context
sensitive. I checked 3.6.7 and it acts no different.

> Popping toolbars may cause attention switch and may lower document author's
> productivity. Otherwise you will create another stupid, ugly, non-usable
> Ribbon/MFI. I think that many LibreOffice users would be happy with MS
> Office 2003-like interface.

Yes one of the reasons why MS created the ribbon was due to the ever increasing
number of toolbars and the toolbars popping up all over the UI, so users had to
go to multiple areas of the UI to access functions. Didnt quite follow when you
mentioned that users wouls like an MSO 2003-like interface, as that is what LO
has.

> Users do not need bells and whistles, they need comfortable and customizable
> interface. This interface should allow users to place and pin (lock)
> toolbars as they want and use keyboard shortcuts for more productivity (for
> example, the fastest way to add Cross-Reference is to press <Alt-i><e>).

I would suggest that you submit a new enhancement report for being able to
disable contextual behaviour of toolbars if a user chooses. This should be
possible as the xcu window state files have entries like.

<prop oor:name="ContextSensitive" oor:type="xs:boolean">
  <value>true</value>
</prop>

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