[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 91820] Reorganization of the menu bar for Calc

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91820

--- Comment #28 from Joel Madero <jmadero.dev at gmail.com> ---

> First of all it's not just Jay to blame, rather all members of the design
> team. And of course we published a lot in advance. But anyway I think you
> wanted to positively suggest a slow down. Are you sure that users accept
> minor changes but with every update? And does it really make sense to do a
> job half way? I mean moving a few menu items around confuses much more if
> there is not concept in the end.

+1 - probably part of the reason why I said "Jay" instead of "Design team" is
just that I see his commits largely coming through to do these mass tinkerings.
Good to know that it was discussed (due to the lack of time to read . . . 5
sets of minutes per week I apologize for the oversight). 

I'm not sure of anything other than what I said. I know that when I've
suggested changes to UX/UI I get a push back of basically "the status quo is
valuable absent absolute proof that the change will be for the better for the
user" - with toolbar I rarely see that. I see talks about philosophical "best
place to put it" but little talk of "how long have users been using it this way
with this placement and are they going to be confused by the changes" and then
"is their confusion worth the minor gains that are to be had by constant
movement based on some philosophical logic." This reminds me a lot about how
Microsoft forced the Ribbon on people (huge change in one release) - although
of course it's now been largely adopted by MSO user base, there was *harsh*
criticism in the earlier years about forcing such mass changes on users who
were entirely comfortable with the status quo. If the idea is "it's best to
make them swallow the huge pill up front, hope they don't choke, and then
they'll get used to it" is the mentality - then I suppose it might work.

I also know that for me personally (speaking entirely for myself), I've stopped
using dailies for my day to day work because my workflow was so entirely
interrupted. Because of this, I won't be able to report bugs against daily as
often...again I know I'm just one voice, and I'm not the "doer" so - take my
opinion or leave it, either way I'll understand :)


> On the other hand if you have an individually configured toolbar you
> wouldn't see any changes. So a solution for both issues could be to have a
> confirmation dialog for UI changes. When an update is applied the user is
> asked whether or not he or she wants to apply those changes.
> 
> >I'm not interested (nor do I have time) to spend hours debating over the merits.
> 
> Acknowledged. We will take your opinion into consideration anyway.

Thanks :) I understand that the "doers" decide - the most I can hope for as a
user is simply to consider "my" (although I suspect this may be a criticism
that you'll all have to address when a stable release comes out with these
dramatic changes) opinion.

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