[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 90068] FORMATTING Proposal to make italic, bold and other font variants as built-in styles, in addition to emphasis and strong emphasis, which are not obvious to inexperienced people and have different actions, particularly in export targets like LaTeX.

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90068

--- Comment #8 from Jean-Francois Nifenecker <jean-francois.nifenecker at laposte.net> ---
(In reply to Christopher R Lee from comment #7)
> 
> The italic font variant is used for other purposes than to provide emphasis.
> See for example http://html5doctor.com/i-b-em-strong-element/. It needs to
> be available without prejudice to or confusion with the intended meaning of
> the emphasis style.

Yes, through other styles with the appropriate naming. See 'quotation', for an
actual example.

> As others have mentioned, other font variants are in the
> same situation; I don't think the user should have to create appropriate
> styles. 

Mmmm. I'm not sure I understand this fully. Do you mean a user should be given
a complete set of styles with no style creation possibility?

> I don't know if a workaround would be to rename generic uncommitted
> built-in styles, so the user can take advantage of the variants of the
> particular font(s) in use.

Creating a child style from a stock one is quite easy, is it not? Then you keep
the best of both worlds: the stock style preset and the user's refinements.

> 
> Note that in standard typographical practice, 'emphasis' may give italic in
> a passage in roman, and roman in a passage in italic; it's a switch. See for
> example https://fr.sharelatex.com/learn/Bold,_italics_and_underlining. 

Yes, so it is in French typography as well. Dunno about foreign typography
rules. (BTW, would be nice to have that switch in LibO. Hear! Hear!)

> LaTeX you can obtain this effect by using *both* \textit and \emph; items
> like figure legends are already in italic so you just use \emph. 

Here you're talking about the quotation intend, which, in LibreOffice, has got
dedicated 'quotation' styles (both for paragraphs and characters).

> 
> It seems that the <i> element is beginning to be deprecated in html, with a
> recommendation to use classes to indicate the intended meaning. The present
> correspondence may draw attention to a related though presentational
> difficuly with LO. In my opinion, the tabbed windows way of presenting LO
> styles is an obstacle both in general and in the present context. A CSS
> lookalike would be better and (though not relevant here) it would show the
> cascading. 

I very often set the styles listing in hierarchical mode for that matter.

> Alternatively built-in fonts (at least) could be presented in a
> tabular format, so the user can see at a glance how all relevant style names
> are linked to variants of the font being used, with a warning if a variant
> is being generated artificially.

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