[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 98290] Better shortcuts for the Mac OS X platform

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98290

Yousuf (Jay) Philips <philipz85 at hotmail.com> changed:

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--- Comment #6 from Yousuf (Jay) Philips <philipz85 at hotmail.com> ---
(In reply to Björn Michaelsen from comment #5)
> Do we really want to divert our keymaps per platform?

The diversion of keymaps per platform began in the OOo days, as referenced in
the description of this bug, so as long as shortcut keys can be
reserved/recommended by the OS per platform, there will always be differences
that would need fixing - e.g. F11 is assigned to the Styles & Formatting
window/sidebar, but it is an OS reserved shortcut on Mac to show the desktop.

If we want the best user experience for users in which LibreOffice shortcuts
integrate well with the OS, we would need to create keymaps for Windows, Gnome,
KDE and Mac, as each of these have a different set of reserved/recommended
shortcut keys. We currently have Windows/Linux shortcuts and Mac shortcuts,
though many of the Mac shortcuts are similar to Linux Gtk desktop environment
(Gnome 3/Unity/Mate/Cinammon/XFCE/LXDE) and some Windows shortcuts aren't
equivalent on Linux KDE - e.g. Find & Replace is Ctrl+H on Windows and Ctrl + R
on KDE.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_keyboard_shortcuts

> This will be a documentation and UX nightmare

As someone who works in documentation and UX, i dont see this as a nightmare.
With documentation, work is ongoing to get it up to date and as long as the
shortcut changes are documented, it will be easy to make the necessary changes
in the help, similar to what we've done with string changes.

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/RecentStringChanges

When it comes to UX, users want LO to feel like a native app and if common
shortcuts in an OS map to a different function in LO, then LO doesnt feel as
integrated, just like what is seen in the launchpad.net link.

> -- esp. with all the video tutorials and such then being platform specific.

As we had different shortcuts between Windows/Linux and Mac OS, just like we
have menu bar differences (e.g. Windows/Linux has Tools > Options and Mac has
LibreOffice > Preferences), so there will always be platform specific video
tutorials for different OSes, just like we have language specific video
tutorials.

> See also:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/891539
> And the discussion at:
> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.ux-advise/
> 189/focus=230

I've seen both those links in the past when i suggested F11 be changed to
fullscreen (bug 83467) and the F11 discussion is currently going on in bug
98333.

As previously mentioned in the design mailing list on the 1st of March, the
ongoing work i'm doing to improve shortcuts on Mac can be found here.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/198zpaE2SKD0MIQUmSKb-s9vVCZy5dsdLg5JXhJ82iHg/edit?usp=sharing

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