[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 102915] Restore Clear Direct Formatting (an uno: ResetAttributes command) to the context menu

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102915

Yousuf Philips (jay) <philipz85 at hotmail.com> changed:

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--- Comment #27 from Yousuf Philips (jay) <philipz85 at hotmail.com> ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #24)
> Since Heiko has the user survey linked here, makes more sense to close bug
> 102141 as a the duplicate regards this enhancement request and discussion of
> restoring a "Clear Direct Formatting" .uno:ReesetAttributes based entry on
> the Writer context menu.

As this bug was opened afterwards and the discussion of whether it was
intentional or not was addressed there as you asked in comment 8, this was
marked as the duplicate. When it comes to the g+ survey, i wouldnt place that
much faith in the results due to the limited scope of the audience, the
question asked and the lack of additional questions like :-

do you use this command?
how often do you use the command?
do you use the shortcut key?
where do you primarily activate this command?
what version of LO are you running?
have you seen/used the command in the toolbar?
is it better to have this command in the toolbar or context menu?

This command has low usage metrics, isnt important enough to be in all three
locations (menu, toolbar, context menu), and takes up valuable space which is
against the HIG. 

(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #26)
> First: all (maybe all but one) of the mentioned links do _not_ discuss at
> all why 'Clear Direct Formatting'  should be removed or not.

Yes no explicitly talk about the removal of that specific entry. I removed it
based on the toolbar, menu and context menu reorganization work I did based on
the OOo usage metrics.

> I've checked ~40 minutes from 2014/2015 and there was no mention of any
> discussion or whether or not to remove 'Clead Direct Formatting'.
> Of course I may have missed it, in which case I would appreciate to learn
> the arguments.

No there was no discussion in the meetings regarding this particular entry, it
was about removing direct formatting entries in general (bug 86606).

> Second: also other linked issues (here or in 102915) do not have any
> argumentation on the subject.

I assume you meant bug 102141 and the issue being addressed was whether it was
intentional or not, which stuart also asked here in comment 8.

> Third, In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) from comment #22)
> The argument was that all direct formatting items were removed.

Yes all direct formatting that is available in the toolbars and isnt behind a
dialog.

> It is a powerful tool to work with styles properly.
> I'm really sorry that I have to type such an obvious argument down.

Seems we are talking about different things here.

> A toolbar is not a context menu.
> The context menu can be started without moving the mouse, and even without
> using the mouse (properties key or extra in LibreOffice Shift+F10)
> Further more: as people access the context menu often, there is a good
> change they will discover the item in the neatly trimmed context menu
> (compared to the richly filled tool bar), thus enhancing the use of tools
> for working with clear (... ;) ) styles.

Things are more discoverable and more used in the toolbar than they will be in
the context menu because they are in plain sight and dont require the opening
of the context menu for discoverability.

> You kindly asked him to do so in your comment from December 15 2015.
> I see no trace however of deliberate choice to remove the function.

https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/20446/1/sw/source/ui/app/mn.src@135

> As written before: 
> - there is no separate discussion on removing the choice 'Clead Direct
> Formatting'.
> - access to the toolbar cannot be considered equal to access to the context
> menu.

Yes they arent equal. Access through the toolbar is many times higher.

> Fourth: comment #c19
> 76% of 125 votes say yes to the question "Do you need the function "Clear
> Direct Formatting" in Writer's context menu?"

Read above about my thoughts of the survey.

Would suggest this discussion be taken to the weekly meeting, so that all
points can be discussed and voted on.

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