[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 126608] Writer: Can't switch to Portrait

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126608

--- Comment #41 from Todd <ToddAndMargo at zoho.com> ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #37)
> In the see also bug 57158 there was discussion of opening a enhancement for
> better UX in handling of the Page Break w/Style change. Never pursued...
> 
> @Cor, Heiko -- I had to poke around a bit for this behavior, but it is
> clearly identified in the Help for Insert - Manual Break [1], but the
> 6.2/6.3/6.4 newHelp needs a tweak to reposition it under More Breaks. And
> the "Inserting and Deleting Page Breaks" article [2] probably should have an
> Info tip to use the dialog to include style.
> 
> As Mike & Dieter said, it works fine when one manages their styles correctly
> (i.e. don't modify & apply the Default page style and expect stability). 
> 
> Otherwise do we need to give the novice user more hand holding?
> 

Hi Stuart,

Mike and Stuart gave me a work around and that is much appreciated, especially
since this is a bug reporting site and not a help site.  But the bugs that led
me to need the work arounds still need to be fixed.

Yes, I am a novice.  As such I see things that developers overlook as they know
what is support to do and what is suppose to happen.  I don't, so I find all
the warts.  I also write software, although no where near on your level.  I can
pull my hair out for a week trying to find everything that can go wrong and
think it is finished, then put it down in front of the the customer and they
hand me my butt on a plate in 2 seconds flat.  It can be very frustrating, so I
know where you guys are coming from.

I am a I.T. consultant to small business.  I have LO spread across two
counties.  Other than using LO to read docx and xlsx eMail attachments and
write shopping lists and recipes, I can not get anyone to use LO.  They just
tell me they don't like it and and go buy M$ Office.  Now a lot of that is the
old "I can't learn anything new" thing and you can't do anything about that,
but a lot of it has to do with LO not being "intuitive" and being buggy.

This bug report is a good example of that.  How was I suppose to know that the
side bar (which I don't like to use) had the bugs removed and the
Format->Page-> Page menus had a bug in it?   Or that the Style pop up on the
bottom border would change Landscape to Portrait by choosing Landscape and that
Format->Page-> Page would not?  How was I suppose to know that "Style" was not
orentation but it was?  How was I support to know that Format->Paragraph->flow
Landscape actually change the page?  Why is it even in Paragraph? It is
obviously a page function.  Are you starting to see why folks go out and pay
for M$ Office?

So here is the thing, all the menus, all the side bars, all the things on the
borders, all the icons should do the same thing.  As Mike state, they are the
tools provided (he meant only one tool, not all of them).  If some of the tools
are not to be accurate or maintained, the need to be removed.

As an I.T. professional (BSEE Computer Engineering) and a LO novice, I am the
perfect person to test if something is intuitive.  I actually like LO and
advocate for it with all my customers.  And I am also willing to work with you
guys to try and make it better.  I don't know if you realize this, but this is
actually a form of fan mail.   I actually will work with your guys to make LO
better,m rather that installing something else.  My customer usually just ask
me to remove it, even when I tell them it won't hurt to have both M$ Office and
LO both installed at the same time.

May we open this back up as a bug yet?

-Todd

By the way, I still can't print an envelope in Linux and still can't get fancy
with tables and merged cells.  

Oh, to come clean, I do use Word Pro a lot under Wine.  I is a ton more
intuitive that LO.  And I have ZERO issues with Portrait and landscape.  I did
wish it had LO's right click spell check.  I am the only one I know that still
uses Word Pro, but it prints envelopes beautifully, even through Wine and CUPS.

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