[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 116703] Make clear distinction on differences between "Export" and "Save As", and move items in those filters accordingly

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116703

--- Comment #20 from Mihkel Tõnnov <mihhkel at gmail.com> ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #16)
> Option 0:
> Keep as it is under the assumption (expert) users are familiar with the
> organization.
+0.8
My personal preference, but maybe not the best solution for general public. It
has its logic, though.

> Option 1:
> We keep only the open document formats in Save/As and move everything else
> into Export. This has been done for GIMP and it's very annoying (but clear
> to understand).
Please no D: The GIMP approach bites me in the face every time I use the damn
thing. (Even though I understand the rationale.)

> Option 2:
> SaveAs holds open document formats and MSO. Meaning html, dbf, slk, csv /
> rtf, txt / mml get moved into Export. Somewhat confusing in case of Calc
> since CSV is as important as Excel. Or in case of html when Writer is used
> as editor.
Why only MSO? And where to even draw the line after that? E.g. RTF and
(especially) CSV are used quite a lot, and presumably expected to be found from
"normal" Save dialog.

> Option 3:
> We drop Export and keep everything under SaveAs. IIRC the list of supported
> file formats can become quite large.
This would make things worse wrt perceived compatibility/completeness. Also
would necessitate some sort of comments or section titles in the list (as
Telesto mentioned).

> Option 4:
> Keep only "lossy" formats under Export. That applies to all raster graphic
> formats- loading exported data does not allow editing. For Draw html, pdf
> and svg would go to SaveAs, in case of Calc html and xml, etc. In the end,
> the function is kind of "Export to Raster Graphic".
+0.2
For average (not dumb-) user, I think this makes the most sense out of the
discussed options. Although for consistency, I think PDF should stay under
Export also in Draw. Also, "lossy" as criterion might be problematic, as e.g.
CSV is definitely "lossy" when it comes to formatting :) (Sure, there's a
warning...)

> Option 5:
> Different menu options with Save As > Open Document | Microsoft Office
> (another menu entry for other office suites)| Markup Languages (html, xml,
> svg, mml, csv) | Raster Graphics. Not sure where to put epub and PDF, maybe
> Markup, but we could drop this format since we have a dedicated command.
Can all the save/export formats really fit under a single category? Also, it
would probably take a user at least two attempts to find where e.g. CSV or RTF
or XML is under such a structure (terms like "markup language" probably aren't
understood by everyone).

(In reply to Telesto from comment #17)
> Original vision: 1 next 5 (based on MacOS Pages)
> Directly saving new documents into DOCX/DOC is unadvised and people
> shouldn't do that. This certainly doesn't work out to well. And having it
> under Save As suggests kind of full compatibility.
Well, there is a warning when saving as non-ODF...

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