[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 136432] NB Tabbed 'Layout' panel, any changes modify the active Page style

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136432

Telesto <telesto at surfxs.nl> changed:

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             Status|RESOLVED                    |UNCONFIRMED
         Resolution|NOTABUG                     |---

--- Comment #8 from Telesto <telesto at surfxs.nl> ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #6)
> Conclusion: NAB
> 
> Thanks for submitting the issue anyway and to all commenters for evaluating
> the idea.

Thanks for the replays. I was already mentally reconsidering my view. So my
original change proposal might not be the solution. And might acted to quick on
my gut feeling this is not right (without proper understanding what cases
this).

And attempt to pinpoint my source of my feeling/ the issue.
- I often wan to rotate only 1 or 2 pages; not the whole document. So rotating
they Default Page Style won't to the trick. Say I have 2 pages doc with page
break in the middle, and I want to rotate page 2. I go to Layout tab ->
Orientation -> Set landscape (result: both pages rotated). As far I can recall
this works in MSO

In addition the tabbed bar not clear where the change is made. I excepted it to
be a page style change (as I was fiddling with that when switched to Tabbed)

The core concern: Format Page Style (or tabbed bar) invites to workflow which
doesn't deliver the expected results (in numerous cases). 

Secondly it's not to obvious to 'find' the landscape Page style; rather deeply
buried away in the sidebar (which needs to be enabled). And right clicking the
page style in the status bar I didn't even consider (only after Timur pointed
it out). I mostly use the status bar literally as 'status bar' (so 'read only';
without functionality.

And even 'with that' it isn't going to well. Empty document; Press CTRL+ENTER.
Know right click the status bar -> Page Style Landscape.. Now both pages are
landscape :-(. 

The issue, there are two ways of 'going to landscape' but only one works
structurally (page styles). And you have to set it in 'paragraph styles -> Text
flow'

Another subtle issue is the ability to change the page orientation of landscape
style to portrait; technically correct. However might at this point the name
doesn't fit the bill anymore :-(. And if you fiddled around with page
orientation in tabbed mode this might be even more likely to happen. So having
a page style called Landscape, not doing landscape anymore.

However not sure how to fix this. Switching to a different page style, means
you lose all the changes made, say margin and stuff


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Sometimes I think. Should default page style and say portrait style being
stock/ locked styles. So put again differently styles outside the style
hierarchy. So people can revert to default style, which currently isn't the
case if the messed around with it. So people should always create a new style
to be able to modify 

If a 'child' is created from' default page style, all present pages (and new
pages) are switching from default locked (to the new created one). 

People can always go back to the top style (untouched/stock) stuff.. 

Actually the same feeling with default paragraph style. The default page style
should be simply a stock/locked style. Which can't be changed. So people can
'revert back to' stock ("default") page style. Currently the 'stock/initial
page style' can be modified where the default page style is the default page
style in that  document, but not the default page style (as shipped by
LibreOffice). So the 'default page style' of untouched new document. 

The proposal is only what 'pops to mind'; so surely not full-blown well thought
out UX concept. And maybe not the answer.. And I probably ruining (somebody's)
design etc. 

However rotating pages is slightly complex compared to MSO, if it's up to me. 


-> FWIW: My bug reports start more or less with gut feeling; so more or less
shoot first think later; feedback, argh, I forgot something (or a lot).. lets
try again.. I might keep people unnecessary busy this way; but needs sometimes
a few days before I notice some flaws in my report...

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