[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 149018] "Object" property dialog (and Navigator and UI elements) should be titled "Embedded Object"

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149018

--- Comment #18 from Mike Kaganski <mikekaganski at hotmail.com> ---
(In reply to sdc.blanco from comment #17)
> As I understand, the ”E” in OLE stands for ”Embedded” – so contradictions
> abound before we even get started.

I do not understand the "so contradictions abound before we even get started" -
please describe what you mean. OLE means exactly Object Linking and Embedding;
regardless of the copyright on the term, it says explicitly that the object
that would use that name may be *either* linked *or* embedded, so both cases
are possible. It does not contradict anything, it just does not prescribe which
option is used in a specific case.

> You write as though you have some insight into this small (?) group of users
> who link OLE objects, as opposed to simply embedding OLE objects, which
> seems to be the "default" (most common case?) in the Insert > Ole Object
> dialog 

I used that much when I worked in a previous job. I have no numbers, so I am in
no position to discuss how small the group is (my gut feeling is that it's
quite large, but I will not insist - but note that data loss potential - even
if it's just because of a term that is misleading - is not something that we
may deem OK just because the number of affected is small); the search for
"embed link" on Ask [1] suggest that there are real uses of that.

> Do you really think such users would be ”tricked” by the word ”Embedded”,
> when they had to explicitly click ”link to file” to get this kind of
> embedding, and where there is documentation about this option (which I am
> happy to improve if you think it is inadequate).  

The feature is rather advanced. And you need to consider different scenarios.
You may forget how you created the file a year ago, when you need more space
today; you may use a file created by your colleague in a shared environment...

> Would it be better to leave OLE-Object as a ”separate” (special) case, just
> as Image and Frame, where each gets their own dialog and toolbar title, and
> appears at the top level of the menu (i.e., not in a category, such as
> "Object" or Embedded Object")?   (either way is fine with me)

No. And as said, I can't suggest the better name. My current proposal is to
follow your *original* idea, and use OLE everywhere where we need to
disambiguate such objects from images or the like, and keep the "MS OLE vs our
wrongly-named OLE" for a future.

[1] https://ask.libreoffice.org/search?q=embed%20link

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