[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 135501] Change the default UI (see comment 67)

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135501

--- Comment #119 from Pedro <vermelhusco1904 at gmail.com> ---
(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #103)
> (In reply to Pedro from comment #102)
> > I assume you haven't used other office suites in the past 15 years, because
> > since then every LibreOffice alternative uses a tabbed UI similar to the
> > Ribbon UI from MS Office.
> 
> Actually, most LO alternatives (as listed on Wikipedia)  _don't_ use a
> tabbed interface:
> 
> * KOffice - menus & toolbars (abandoned in 2015 but you said past 15 years)
> * AbiWord - menus & toolbars (although it's just a Writer alternative)
> * Calligra - toolbar and vertical-tabbed sidebar
> * NeoOffice - menus & toolbars
> 
> and the only one on that list with tabs seems to be OnlyOffice. If you count
> commercial office suites, you do find more ribbons (SoftMaker, OfficeSuite,
> WPS), but then there's also iWork with its minimalist interface (I believe
> they're not hiding tabs but feel free to correct me). So, with the
> commercial ones, you still only get to, say, around half. Not "every"
> alternative".

I am counting commercial office suites, with more users or a similar userbase
to LibO.
KOffice is discontinued. AbiWord is a word processing software.
Calligra is a niche office suite, exclusive to Linux and Plasma distros at that
(even there most pick LibO over it anyway).
NeoOffice is a fork of LibO. It's not an alternative, unless you use Mac and it
wouldn't survive if there was anyone actually supporting MacOS in the LibO dev
community.
I can tell your bias just from this list you enumerated: Linux user and uses
exclusively open source software.

> > Furthermore, the users whose experience you want
> > to defend actually do have problems in adapting from a Ribbon UI to the
> > Standard Toolbar.
> 
> There is some adaptation, granted; but as discussed above - the adaptation
> is important and beneficial.

If you think so then why are you so resistant to adapting to the newer more
efficient UI paradigm?

> > Just go to any comment section of a LibO release to notice that.
> 
> That, of course, would be a biased sample. Users do not post "I just thought
> you should know I don't have a problem with menus".

As much of a biased sample as your own selection of "alternatives" top LibO.

> > The Standard UI is a fossil from a different computing era.
> 
> Well, it seems that statistically, that's not actually the case; and you've
> only based this statement on the statistical claim.


Statistically, we know that MSO is the most widely used Office suite in the
world. Statistically, the probability that any person you would pick randomly
of the street nowadays would be more confortable with the Ribbon UI is much
higher than being confortable with a Standard toolbar.
I know that most LibO devs prefer Linux, and would prefer if time had stopped
in 2006 before the Ribbon UI became the de facto UI standard for an office
suite when Microsoft Office launched it in 2007. If you want to satisfy users
and attract new users to open source office suites to spread the use of open
standards you need to ease the learning curve of using LibO. That means
changing the default UI to a Tabbed UI.

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