[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 135501] Change the default UI (see comment 67)

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135501

--- Comment #131 from Rafael Lima <rafael.palma.lima at gmail.com> ---
(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #115)
> If you want to make this argument, you need to address the objections of
> those of us who are against it. Which you, so far, have not.

TBH my main goal in joining this discussion is to raise awareness about the
problems we have in the Tabbed UI, which is possibly the second most popular UI
variant, after the Standard Toolbar.

I don't really mind if it doesn't end up becoming the default UI. But I would
love to see it receiving more love from devs.

As for "addressing the objections", I feel that this discussion is too
subjective for one to address the objections of other users who oppose the
Tabbed UI. There's nothing I can say that will objectively prove that the
Tabbed UI is superior and that is not even my goal here.

What I would love to see is the Tabbed UI being improved, so that those using
it have a better experience. Only after this happens we will be able to discuss
if it should become the default.

> Again, you're speaking as though this has somehow been agreed. On the
> contrary - you should refrain from lobbying the ESC for grant money; that
> would be a misrepresentation of the discussion here.

My objective was never "lobbying the ESC for grant money". Regardless of the
Tabbed UI becoming the default or not, these issues we currently face in the
Tabbed UI need to be fixed and I see no problem in bringing this discussion to
the ESC.

Mind you that the discussion I would like to bring to the ESC is "the Tabbed UI
needs improvements and fixes"... it's not my intention of saying that "the
Tabbed UI should become the default", because as you said this decision would
not represent the opinions expressed here.

(In reply to Luke Kendall from comment #117)
> Although my suggestion (comment 35) was largely ignored, or misunderstood,
> I'll reiterate it.
> 
> If you make the UI choice a very visible indicator that can be used to
> switch to a different UI style, OR to revert to the previous UI the user had
> been using, I think you can defuse this issue. Unlike commercial software
> which has to go all in, you have more flexibility.

I believe Luke's proposal would be the ideal solution, which would be to
provide the user a more prominent way to change the UI variant. Maybe the user
could choose this during installation.

I'm saying this because in the university where I work, most students using
LibreOffice do not know there's a Tabbed UI. Those who are not involved with LO
development and news simply have not heard of it and the way to change it is
not very prominent so that new users will easily learn that it exists.

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