[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 155834] Unnumbered entries do not move together with their main entry, when list's "move item up / down" commands are used

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155834

--- Comment #5 from Mike Kaganski <mikekaganski at hotmail.com> ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #4)
> (In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #2)
> > But when you think it's an individual *list item*, you yourself 
> > fall a victim of this "paragraph = list item" wrong idea.
> Now I'm confused. Is it technically a list item or not?

Again: a list item is not a paragraph, it is a *set of paragraphs*.
It is the same for e.g. table cells: a table cell is not a paragraphs, it is
all paragraphs in it (sometimes one, sometimes many). But for table cells, we
can have visual things (cell borders, even when there's no user borders - we
can show dashed borders nevertheless).

> And since you asked UX, can we change this.

We *need not* change this, we need to allow users to *know* (see) it.

> > The problem is: we do not communicate this idea to user in any way in the
> > UI, and people do not even imagine that this is the case.
> What do you have in mind? Could imagine to show the tab formatting mark for
> all list items. And we do not have an option beside backspace to suppress
> the label, which could be added to the B&N dialog. Or better as an extra
> command as it is related to a single item. Toggle on/off aka checkbox would
> allow both to suppress the label without backspace (PITA on macOS, btw.) and
> to get proper feedback.

I don't know, maybe a kind of dotted rectangle around the whole current list
item (=several paragraphs) appearing dynamically when you enter a list, when
formatting marks are enabled ...

but this issue is not about that directly - just about the many paragraphs in
the list to *behave* like a unit.

Compare to tables again. Let's imagine we have a "move table cell up" command.
When we are in a paragraph inside a table cell (having several paragraphs), and
use this command, the expectation would be, that the whole cell moves up, with
all the paragraphs, not only the one paragraph where the cursor is.

But in case of lists, when we issue a "move list item up" command, not the
*list item* moves, but a *part of the current item* - which is the *current
paragraph*.

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