[Libreoffice] [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [REVIEW] text orientation, not text direction
kaplanlior at gmail.com
Mon Oct 31 10:13:07 PDT 2011
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Christophe Strobbe <
christophe.strobbe at esat.kuleuven.be> wrote:
> At 16:48 31-10-2011, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
>> Hi Lior,
>> Thank you for the patch! It seems that it caused some misunderstanding,
>> so maybe it might be good to CC: the UX guys for the suggestion of
>> wording? - CC'd now.
>> UX guys - please have a look at Lior's suggestion; for a screenshot of
>> what he means, see his original mail in the ML archive:
> Just to make sure that everyone involved in the discussion knows how to
> use this feature:
> 1. Create a table; set "text direction" to "right-to-left (vertical)"
> 2. Enter some Chinese (or Japanese) text into the table. (In my case, the
> text appeared rotated.)
> 3. Change the font to one that was developed for Chinese (or Japanese, as
> the case may be) text.
> You will now see the characters in vertical columns that should be read
Just a small notice - although the option says "right to left (vertical)",
it only changes the horizontal/vertical part. The text directionality is
kept as is (usually left to right), which causes the text to be written top
to bottom (that is LRT rotates 90 clock wise).
> So "text direction" is about horizontal vs vertical (i.e. vertical, then
> right-to-left), rather than the direction of the writing system
> (left-to-right vs right-to-left/bidirectional).
> I have attached a sample document and a screenshot to this mail. The text
> below the table is identical to the text inside the table - in fact I
> copied it from the table. Also notice the change in quotation marks and the
> direction of "2012".
> (See also this Wordpad screenshot from Wikipedia: <
> Best regards,
>> How does that sound?
>> Thank you,
>> On 2011-10-31 at 17:03 +0200, Lior Kaplan wrote:
>> > On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Christian Lohmaier <lohmaier
>> > +libreoffice at googlemail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi Lior, *,
>> > On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 9:26 PM, Lior Kaplan
>> > <kaplanlior at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > In my RTL bugs talk during the conference, I showed a weird
>> > option in the
>> > > tables options -> text flow tab which refers to RTL text as
>> > vertical
>> > > (guessing a feature for Japanese). See attached screen shot.
>> > >
>> > > I'm attaching to patches to fix this:
>> > > 1. A string change (trivial).
>> > But that change doesn't improve anything at all. I immediately
>> > understand what the difference between "left-to-right" and
>> > "right-to-left (vertical)" means, but what the heck is
>> > "horizontal"?
>> > that could also be right-to-left, and more importantly:
>> > Vertical could
>> > also be left-to-right written vertically.
>> > These options doesn't touch the text directionality (RTL/LTR) but only
>> > decide whether it goes horizontally or vertically.
>> > So I don't see any benefit in changing those. (on the
>> > contrary, it
>> > would replace clear labels with "need to try them to figure
>> > out what
>> > they do" ones.
>> > As for "Text direction" vs "Text orientation" - I don't really
>> > care,
>> > although I'd associate left-aligned vs right-aligned more with
>> > orientation, and the overall writing layout with direction,
>> > but then
>> > again I'm not a native speaker...
>> > I've changed this text for two reason:
>> > 1. To diffrenciate from the "Text direction" on the table tab (the
>> > previous tab in the same window). There the options are RTL and LTR
>> > which is right.
>> > 2. To use the same terminology as other word processing software.
>> > I hope this better explains the reasons for the patch.
>> > Kaplan
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