minutes of ESC call ...

Thu Apr 19 08:11:18 PDT 2012

* Present:
	+ David, Stephan, Thorsten, Andras, Markus, Caolan,
	  Bjoern, Norbert, Fridrich, Michael S, Eike, Kohei,
	  Tor, Petr, Kendy, Lionel, Lubos

* Completed Action Items
	+ review and re-close 3.4.x MAB fixed in 3.5.x (Rainer)
	+ Apple Developer Enrollment (Thorsten)
	+ switch doc encryption default back for 3.5 (Thorsten)
	+ add a bold heading to GSOC page: LibreOffice is easy & fun to hack (Cedric)
	+ update new file license template to MPLv2 (Michael)
	+ mail the mailing list wrt. GSOC filing urgency (Fridrich)
	+ help Ellie get mingw build going (Tor)
	+ get bytemark access to Caolan (Norbert)
	+ turn exception checking on for gcc in debug builds (Lubos)

* Pending Action Items
	+ [wedged on nbg admins] firewall issues for new linux tinderbox (Thorsten)
	+ add encryption default UI option in 3.6 (Thorsten)
        + rename VCL API to make it GetBeamerFoo & fix (Michael)
	+ poke RedHat security guy wrt. keys (Caolan)
	+ [pending] pull up misc. internal versions for 3.6 (Fridrich)
		+ started with pixman, poked cairo

* Action Items review

* Release Engineering update (Petr)
	+ 3.5.3 rc1 - tagged yesterday to get late fixes
		+ builds for Linux+Mac, Win32 in progress
		  Mac-PPC slow as usual.
		+ expected this evening / tomorrow morning
		+ may be announced at the weekend.
		+ new mirror synching improved / faster box.
		+ final date for rc2 deadline mailed out on Monday

* GSOC update (Fridrich)
	+ 10 slots, and one cross-project conflict
	+ all-night de-duplication meeting fun.

* Hack-fest roundup / suggestions for the future (Thorsten)
	+ summaries on the planet / Thorsten's blog
		+ 90 commits from the hack-fest attendees
		+ lots of new things started
	+ http://blog.thebehrens.net/2012/04/16/libreoffice-hamburg-hackfest-2012/
	+ do it again soon
		+ nice to have more of a focus, and do more outreach

* Exporting redundant symbols for unit tests (Lubos)
	+ change reverted re-shrinking symbol tables
		+ slower, and 1Gb larger
	+ expectation that build-system changes be announced (Moggi)

* rtl / css namespace issues (Lubos/Michael)
	+ should we have general 'using' statements ?
	+ rtl::OUString is a bit of a pain
	+ Lubos:
		+ would like to use the short name everywhere,
		  except for exported headers.
		+ add a unit test for all exported headers.
	+ Stephan
		+ not eager to see it
		+ but happy enough to see it go in
	+ using css:: namespace instead ?
		+ what is this css:: not friendly for new newcomers (Tor)
		+ lo:: [!] - annoyances with aliases ...
		+ replace css:: with nothing - bad (Stephan)
		+ help get ready for lo4
		+ prefer to push back to LibO 3.6 and a bigger cleanup (Stephan)
AA:	+ get headers to allow rtl:: namespace omitted in soon (Lubos)
		+ but not do the big seds yet
	+ concern wrt. the KDE4 experience & big bang changes (Lubos)
		+ ie. fixing API changes now incrementally is a win
	+ doing it sooner, not later is good of course (Stephan)
	+ LibO 4.0
		+ planned to be incrementally developed / migrated anyway
		+ postpone until license change done (Bjoern)
		+ concerns about breaking all extensions at once (Norbert)
		+ better to do incremental improvement ?
		+ how much will we get done for this anyway ?
		+ consider longer support cycle for LibO 3.6.x etc.
			+ discuss late.

* tinderboxen / status (Norbert)
	+ bytemark machine #1
		+ Fridrich is setting up the fast win32 machine,
		  aim to get v. fast debugging snapshots
	+ bytemark machine #2
		+ working on *BSD in virtualbox with little
		  joy help appreciated (Norbert)
		+ need 3x BSD virtual-boxes (ideally)
	+ Debian fixing bash-isms left & right due to dash (Lionel)

* misc. font bits
	+ Google ChromeOS fonts
		+ based on a renamed Liberation + added some additional glyphs
AA:		+ investigate (Caolan)
	+ Ariel Narrow replacement / query
AA:		+ do we ship Liberation Narrow (Bjoern)

* QA update (Bjoern/Petr)
	+ Rainer sends regrets
	+ created bibisect screencast to help QA guys.
		+ trained people in how to do it at hack-fest
	+ now no need for 'EasyHack' prefix for bug subjects in bugzilla anymore
	+ MAB re-evaluation is useful but can create more work than fixing the bugs
		+ best to focus on NEEDINFO
		+ situation calmed down again
		+ what is MAB for ? is it needed at all ? can we use severities ?
		+ severities/priorities - user tweakable, and thus not useful.
		+ would a bugzilla privilege setting for those help ?
		+ discussed at hack-fest, no much better solution available.
		+ decision: stick with status-quo for now MAB works quite well.
	+ could we sort by # of CC's - a better metric perhaps.

* 3.5 most annoying bugs ...
	+ MAB review dropped 2 bugs
	+ 68 open (of 199) older 74/201 73/193 66/183 58/168 57/157 58/153 52/145 49/140
	     34%                   37%    38%   36%    35%    36%    37%    36%    35%
	+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=37361&hide_resolved=1

* 3.5 bugs tagged with 'regression'
	+ 150(+2) bugs open of 485(+10) total

	* Component    count net *
	+ Writer       - 54 (+0)
	+ Presentation - 23 (+1)
	+ LibreOffice  - 18 (+1)
	+ Writer / RTF - 13 (+1)
	+ Drawing      - 9  (+0)
	+ Database     - 8  (+0)
	+ Spreadsheet  - 7  (+1)
	+ Basic        - 2  (-1)

	+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&product=LibreOffice&list_id=36764

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