minutes of ESC call ...

Michael Meeks michael.meeks at suse.com
Thu Aug 16 08:36:17 PDT 2012


* Present:
	+ Rainer, David, Andras, Lionel, Norbert, Christian L,
	  Kendy, Caolan, Mitch, Stephan, Michael M, Cedric, Petr,
	  Astron, Bjoern

* Completed Action Items
	+ notify all committers when we have a nice simple, minimal
	  statement of what is required for gerrit written (Bjoern)
	+ maildrop for Gerrit (Bjoern)
		+ http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2012-August/036600.html
			+ send mail starting [PATCH] to gerrit at libreoffice.org
		initial implementation done, could need some tweaking, like:
		- adding the mail body (and the time and sender of the mail)
		- maildropped patches do not get firehosed to the ML (unless CCed) as the
		  uploader is the gerritbot himself and thus he get no email notification
		  about his upload -- a firehose based on openstacks IRC bot should solve this
		  and not be too hard (and that one is now properly licensed, so we can fork it)
		- allowing adding comments via email (though no approval -- to much
		  authentication troubles)
	+ file an easy-hack to ship a binary to zip user-profile for debugging (Petr)
		+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53583
	+ update QA FAQs / challenge answers to encourage moving
	  profiles away instead of deleting (Rainer)
		+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UserProfile
		+ http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/2012-August/002251.html

* Pending Action Items
	+ 4.0 issues (Everyone)
		+ everyone interested in cleanups - claim your work until next ESC!
			+ http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/LibreOffice4
	+ make bytemark windows box do release builds (Fridrich)
	+ crediting: can we separate tempates in the credits page (Spaetz)
	+ re-think our bundled font list (Astron / design-team)

* GSOC update (Cedric)
	+ Monday 13th deadline for code
	+ next week - students & mentors need to fulfill the evaluation
	+ students need to prepare a tar.gz with patches
		+ is: git log -u --author='Andrzej' > /tmp/big-patch.diff
		+ adequate (eg.) or is splitting them mandatory, use eg.
		+ git rev-list --author='Andrzej' master
	+ drop-dead-line for reviews Aug 24th

* Release Engineering update (Petr)
	+ 3.6.1 RC1 update
		+ being up-loaded to mirrors, hopefully for announce
		  tomorrow, on-track
		+ deadline for RC2 on Monday
		+ hope to have extensions troubles nailed & a much
		  better experience left & right.
		+ big pre-reg removal so far appears sound
	+ 3.6.2 rc1 - September 17th
	+ 3.5.6 retrospective
		+ released yesterday, smooth release
		+ potentially hard to find how to download it
	+ 3.5.7 rc1 - October 12th

* download / version selection issues
	+ always complicated to have 2x downloads on
	  the same page (Astron)
		+ can we label point-zero releases in some
		  better way ?
		+ chicken-egg problem around testing
	+ would an improved testing program help ?
		+ encouraging more people to download it.
	+ We could list other versions explicitly instead
	  of having the multiple selection pages marked
	  "Change system, version, language" (Cloph)

* Editing website performance (Cloph)
	+ issue with editing the website - takes the site
	  down for a long delay.
	+ we've had load issues on the server; php processes
	  taking too much CPU; setup VM to do some profiling
	  this weekend
		+ issues for two weeks, since re-start;
		  looking (Cloph)
	+ user-rendered pages, not affected, only editing
	+ xcache investigation - no impact either way
	+ leap-second bug related (Nobert?)

* UI / design update (Astron)
	+ started the fonts discussion, proposals on a wiki page
	  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Wishlists/Fonts

* gerrit -> freedesktop migration
	+ planned for Friday night European time,
	+ starting over the weekend; push to gerrit instead
		+ E-mail will be sent when it's ready.
	+ pushing to freedesktop will give a helpful
	  warning instead.
	+ so *still* regular git, normal git push - just a
	  different server.

* Call for Papers - talks @ LibreOffice con
	+ http://conference.libreoffice.org/call-for-paper
	+ more talks, particularly short talks appreciated
		+ Android / cross-compilation - Tor
AI:		+ release mgmt & QA round-table - Petr
AI:		+ CMIS - why it rocks - Cedric
AI:		+ overview of Base easy-hacks - Lionel
AI:		+ easy-hacks - the workshop (Michael)
AI:		+ 15mins improving on-line updates (Kendy)
AI:		+ 15mins wiki help update (Kendy)

* bugzilla / gerrit integration (Bjoern)
	+ concern about getting spammed a lot.
	+ if only one mail if there is a patch at all, it doesn't hurt too much
		+ changing it is an easy-hack

* GUADEC update (Michael)
	+ liblibreoffice interest for libevince like embedding
		+ complementary to mobile device work.
	+ potential tracker indexing bits
		+ come up in conversation - difficult to work out what's up
	+ hacked on gstreamer

* QA update (Rainer)
	+ needinfo mass-close panic subsiding
		+ not optimal, but it is what it is,
		+ Rainer happy to deal with complaints, just fwd.
	+ what's up with the MINGW / win-7 tinderbox slave
		+ it was harming a five-year-old beast / test
		  machine we run it on
AI:		+ re-start it soon (Kendy)
		+ Rainer wants to triage MINGW bugs.
	+ introducing 'HardHacks' (Bjoern)
		+ 3.6.0 flameage
		+ QA team suggested picking five top-bugs each
		  two weeks in their call, need to be:
			+ among MAB
			+ triaged as far as possible
			+ best prepared bugs: symbol traces,
			  reproducible etc.
		+ throw these over to the ESC
			+ quest for volunteers here to dig into them.
		+ want a hard-hacks query - with five hits
		+ bug list into minutes for call etc. (5mins)
			+ briefly discuss them each week
		+ suck it see next week (Rainer)
	+ producing a bibsect repository for Windows (Norbert)
	+ new bug report page - with search for duplicates [!] ...
	+ Bjoern's hard-hack idea ...

* git-review thoughts (Bjoern)

* 4.0 - ongoing discussion (Kendy)
	+ best ideas heard so far: to do an ABI thaw for 4.0,
	  and keep in place until after 4.1 - 1 year for ABI
	  fixing.

* 3.6 most annoying bugs ...
    + 21 (of 80) older 11/58 12/55 11/48 8/42 10/37 11/35 5/26 5/21 3/19 4/15
         26%            19%   22%   23%   19%  27%   31%   19%  24%  16%  27%
    + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=44446&hide_resolved=1

* 3.5 most annoying bugs ...
    + 76 open (of 256) older 75/253 77/253 73/250 72/249 67/244 70/243 73/241
         30%                  30%    30%    29%    29%    27%    29%    30%
    + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=37361&hide_resolved=1

* 3.5 bugs tagged with 'regression'
    + 166(-11) bugs open of 736(+13) total

    * ~Component   count net *
    + Writer       - 67 (+0)
    + Presentation - 19 (-2)
    + Crashes      - 14 (-6)
    + LibreOffice  - 14 (-3)
    + Spreadsheet  - 14 (-2)
    + Database     - 10 (-1)
    + Drawing      - 12 (+1)
    + Borders      - 9  (+0)
    + Migration    - 8  (+1)
    + Writer / RTF - 4  (-3)
    + Basic        - 2  (+0)

    + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&product=LibreOffice&list_id=36764
    + Migration tracker: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43489

-- 
michael.meeks at suse.com  <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot
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