minutes of ESC call ...

Thu Nov 15 08:33:49 PST 2012

* Present
	+ Stephan, Bjoern, David, Joel, Eike, Kendy, Astron, Norbert,
	  Andras, Ahmad, Petr, Michael M, Cedric, Kohei, Michael S,
	  Tibby

* Completed Action Items
	+ bump versions sooner than later, to find hard-coded '3's (Petr)
	+ font bundling and gerrit fun with Astron (Andras)
	+ poke Astron / Alexander / Mirek wrt. ESC UI seat (Kendy)
	+ poke board for new ESC compoosition (+Joel,+Tibby,+Ahmad,+Mirek) (Michael)
		+ updated: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/ESC
	+ provide a new palette based on Tango
		+ punted until new color selector is in place ?
	+ setup call for designs for FOSDEM T-shirts (Astron)
		+ posted, awaiting input
	+ review unity-menus branch as/when it's re-based (Michael)
		+ code looks cool

* Pending Action Items
	+ create a new AmbitiousHacks wiki page, based on GSOC page (Michael M)
	+ minimal triage for good mentors for proposed easy hacks (Bjoern)
	+ poke UX advise wrt. how to improve color management UI team (Markus)
	+ issues to look into if we can
		+ fdo#55360 - mac specific text issue (Thorsten)
	+ grok the list of contributors for suitable certified hackers (Kendy)
	+ work on mail to encourage them to get certified (Kendy/Stephan/Bjoern)
	+ disable Rhino / Beanshell unless in experimental mode (Michael)

* Release Engineering update (Petr)
	+ 3.6.4 rc1 status
		+ built, up-loaded, for announce @ weekend
		+ deadline for rc2 - the week after: Nov 26th
			+ triple review until then.
	+ 3.7 timeline: Dec 3rd - week 47
		+ feature-freeze ~2 weeks out.
		+ Alpha 0 build planned beforehand to test build / pkg

* UX input (Astron)
	+ improving the standard shape colors Alex's question on dev list
		+ help appreciated.
	+ T-shirt design challenge is running:
		+ one promised as a prize
	+ color picker prototype coming along nicely
		+ http://michel.renon.free.fr/libreoffice/colorpicker_20121112/
	+ help cleaning up new dialogs in glade much appreciated
		+ install a master snapshot - look for '.ui' files
		+ can be edited live.
	+ should we just default disable the rulers ? (cf. gerrit patch)
AI:		+ consensus of UI team is to re-enable them by default (Kendy)
	+ document recovery dialog changes ?
		+ Kendy's initial thought - easy to fix quickly.
		+ if able to split it into easy-hacks: good too.
		+ not a real offer to spend too much time.

* Hack-fest next weekend: 23rd-25th ...
	+ http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Munich2012
		+ hope to see you there...
		+ if people need travel subsidy to be there
		  please contact Thorsten.

* FOSDEM dev-room:
	+ http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Events/Fosdem2013
	+ travel subsidy available
	+ talks much appreciated, sign up early.

* CUPS - switching back to PDF output by default
	+ discussion on the lists - decide next time.

* Certification Committee update (Kendy/Stephan/Bjoern)
	+ no new people yet - building list for next week.
	+ announcement received well

* 4.0 completed tasks:
	+ binfilter - removed completely (Norbert)
		+ removes legacy StarOffice 1.0->5.0 binary filters
		+ leaves .sxw .sxi etc. zip formats
	+ dropped migrationAnalysis (Norbert)
		+ obsolete, not-built, code removed now
	+ not removing Lotus Word Pro filter
		+ no good technical reasons to.
	+ should we switch to native gtk+/print for 4.0 ?
		+ no: not complete for some features yet (Dtardon)

* 4.0 pending tasks
	+ upgrade bundled python to 3.3 (Michael S)
		+ compiling & delivering nicely on Linux
		+ unbelievable complexity in delivering being fixed.
		+ 40k lines of patches removed.
AI:		+ work ongoing, testing help appreciated for Mac (Norbert)
	+ Mac / 10.4 / PPC dropping (Norbert)
		+ need to drop it at some point; drop now
		  with deprecation ?
		+ decided: deprecate 10.4/5 and raise base-line to 10.6
			+ expect to drop PPC mac for 4.1
	+ user migration path thought / testing (Petr)
		+ simple linux migration works for release config.
		=> can't be tested easily with daily builds
		+ issues around dropping old user-install info wrt.
		  berkleydb (Stephan)
		=> need to hack some more code in there.
	+ drop legacy / STLport in 4.0 outright ? (Stephan)
		+ keep it longer for back-compat ?
AI:		+ check that with latest DudenCorrector first (Kendy)
		  https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37561
		  UWINAPI not needed - but latest ver. still links
		  to stlport
		+ decide: if ok with them -> drop stlport for 4.0
	+ drop Mozilla mess in the tree:
		+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56902

* Proposed easy-hacks -> Easy Hacks (Joel)
	+ developers need to decide what to do next
		+ punting for a month until post Feature Freeze settle ?
	+ re-visit finding devs to build code-pointers for these:
	https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=147895&status_whiteboard_type=anywordssubstr&query_format=advanced&status_whiteboard=ProposedEasyHack&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=REOPENED&product=LibreOffice

* Hard Hacks fixed with thanks:
	+ fdo#49610 - EDITING: Terminating 'Find' when reached (Radek)

* Hard Hacks:
	+ http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/HardHacks
		+ page updated
		+ developers like the selection of hard hacks
	+ fdo#52433 - MEMORY LEAK: particular .odt leading to crash after ...
		+ well known image management is utterly shambolic disaster area.
			+ best to remove from the list for now ...

* LibreOffice commit tweeter setup (Bjoern)
	+ intended to tweet all our commits;
		+ throttled by twitterfeed things to 5x every ~20 mins
		+ (un)fortunately we often commit faster.
	+ interesting nonetheless:
		+ https://twitter.com/LOcommits

* QA update (Joel / Bjoern)
	+ starting bi-weekly meetings again from tomorrow
	+ Rainer started a nice todo list:
	  http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Todo_rename_3.7_to_4.0

* Closed 3.7 MAB (with thanks)
	+ fdo#57090 - UI: Buttons cut off in 'Insert Table' dialog (Caolan)
	+ fdo#57092 - UI: cursor does not blink in ‘Name’ field (Caolan)
	+ fdo#57046 - no windows tinderbox builds as of recently (Fridrich)
	+ fdo#57051 - Mac builds don't start with liblangtag bustage (Caolan)

* Open 3.7 MAB / regressions [ there should be none ]:
	+ 6 (of 21) older 4/18 3/16 3/14 2/13
	     29%          22%
	+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=54157&hide_resolved=1

	+ fdo#53525 - 2 columns Table of contents exceeds page width ?
	+ fdo#55563 - PPTX image background rendered incorrectly
	+ fdo#55570 - significant autocorrect slow-down
	+ fdo#57026 - particular .docx shows all text frames filling complete page size
	+ fdo#57059 - crash when scroll down on (Writer) HELP contents

* 3.6 most annoying bugs ...
	+ 33 (of 150) older 34/148 35/145 33/139 30/132 27/127 44/139 46/137
	      22%            23%    24%    24%    23%    21%    32%    34%
	+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=44446&hide_resolved=1

* 3.5 most annoying bugs ...
	+ 65 (of 278) older 69/278 69/279 75/278 77/279 78/278 81/279 82/279
	      23%            25%    25%    27%    28%    28%    29%    29%
	+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=37361&hide_resolved=1

* 3.5 bugs tagged with 'regression'
	+ 186(+8) bugs open of 907(+16) total

	* ~Component   count net *
	+ Writer       - 80 (+6)
	+ Presentation - 18 (+1)
	+ Spreadsheet  - 16 (+1)
	+ Database     - 16 (+0)
	+ Crashes      - 16 (-1)
	+ Drawing      - 12 (-1)
	+ LibreOffice  - 11 (-1)
	+ Borders      - 9  (+0)
	+ Migration    - 5  (+0)
	+ Basic        - 3  (+0)
	+ Writer / RTF - 1  (+0)

	+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&product=LibreOffice&list_id=36764
	+ Migration tracker: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43489

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