minutes of ESC call ...
Michael Meeks
michael.meeks at suse.com
Thu Nov 22 08:07:40 PST 2012
* Present
+ Lionel, David, Eike, Stephan, Thorsten, Astron, Ahmad,
Joel, Michael M, Michael S, Caolan, Norbert, Cedric,
Markus, Christian, Tibby
+ regrets: Bjoern, Kendy
* Completed Action Items
+ poke UX advise wrt. how to improve color management UI team (Markus)
+ re-enable rulers by default (Kendy)
* Pending Action Items
+ create a new AmbitiousHacks wiki page, based on GSOC page (Michael M)
+ minimal triage for good mentors for proposed easy hacks (Bjoern)
+ grok the list of contributors for suitable certified hackers (Kendy)
+ work on mail to encourage them to get certified (Kendy/Stephan/Bjoern)
+ disable Rhino / Beanshell unless in experimental mode (Michael)
+ turn them back into extensions and disable by default ? (Caolan)
+ requires bundling scripting .jar (Michael S)
+ check stlport situation with DudenCorrector (Kendy)
+ packaging upgraded python for Mac (Cloph)
+ Tor has built it, packaging issues pending
* Release Engineering update (Fridrich/Petr)
+ 4.0 timeline: Dec 3rd - week 47
+ Alpha 1 of 4.0.0 up-loaded, not mirrored, only to
test the basic build / install - seems to work well.
+ feature-freeze ~1 week out 3rd Dec. & then Beta1.
+ 3.6.4 rc2 status
+ Monday deadline for rc2 - tripple review required.
+ various fixes from rc1 included
+ passing generic / Linux builds onto RedHat
+ still building on RHEL4 baseline
+ issues with linking internal cairo vs. system etc.
+ best to use 'a new box'
AI: + build a RHEL5 VM (Caolan)
* Munich hack-fest - starts tomorrow:
+ http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Munich2012
+ 30 hackers signed up already.
* UX input (Astron)
+ no major changes
+ visio - can import stencil files (Fridrich)
+ could we integrate that with the gallery ?
+ dia import extension already did that (Caolan)
+ themes have to have unique IDs / messy.
+ extension: "gallery of danger symbols" (Astron)
* warning-free fixes and quality (Lionel)
+ fixed several bugs caused by mindless fixing of
warnings in the code -> people should be somewhat
more cautious
+ investigating warnings rather than quick-kills
+ now all warnings are gone it's too late (Michael S)
+ more care wrt. removing commented out code (Lionel)
- wider comment on that
- recommend file a bug instead or poke ML ?
* CUPS - switching back to PDF output by default ? (Caolan)
+ pinged both RH and SUSE cups maintainers
+ need ability to toggle it, have a universal default ? etc.
+ a couple of fedora bugs quickly fixed.
+ monster meta-bug at LibreOffice
+ needs some input to have a PDF / PS toggle for generation
AI: + look into adding a UI setting / config foo for toggling it (Caolan)
+ and/or ping maintainers again.
+ from a UX perspective this is horrible (Lionel)
* Certification Committee update (Kendy/Stephan/Bjoern)
* 4.0 completed tasks:
+ binfilter - removed completely (Norbert)
+ removes legacy StarOffice 1.0->5.0 binary filters
+ leaves .sxw .sxi etc. zip formats
+ dropped migrationAnalysis (Norbert)
+ obsolete, not-built, code removed now
+ not removing Lotus Word Pro filter
+ no good technical reasons to.
+ should we switch to native gtk+/print for 4.0 ?
+ no: not complete for some features yet (Dtardon)
* 4.0 pending tasks
+ binfilter:
+ warn on legacy file-types with helpful dialog (needs owner)
+ upgrade bundled python to 3.3 (Michael S)
+ as above testing on mac ?
+ Mac / 10.4 / PPC dropping (Norbert)
+ document: deprecate 10.4/5 and raise base-line to 10.6 ?
+ user migration path thought / testing (Petr)
+ drop legacy / STLport in 4.0 outright ? (Stephan)
+ decide: if ok with them -> drop stlport for 4.0
+ drop Mozilla mess in the tree:
+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56902
+ lots of cleanup in configure
+ un-publishing selected IDL interfaces (Moggi)
+ if we know some interfaces may change soon, or are
badly designed should un-publish them soon.
+ Kohei wants to un-publish the pivot API.
* Proposed easy-hacks -> Easy Hacks (Joel)
+ developers need to decide what to do next
+ punting for a month ?
+ re-visit finding devs to build code-pointers for these:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=147895&status_whiteboard_type=anywordssubstr&query_format=advanced&status_whiteboard=ProposedEasyHack&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=REOPENED&product=LibreOffice
* Hard Hacks:
+ http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/HardHacks
+ page updated
+ developers like the selection of hard hacks
+ mostly suspended until post 4.0 release.
* QA update (Joel)
+ transitioning the versions of all 4.0 bugs to 3.7
then will rename 3.7 to 4.0
+ http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Todo_rename_3.7_to_4.0
+ business as usual:
+ actively questing for new people
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57199
+ Bjeorn working on more RSS bug feed bits.
* fine-borders issues (Tibby)
+ ODF improvements for storing borders, plan to discuss
with Cedric / Michael S in Munich & merge / fix patches
* RTL bugs between writer/impress/draw (Ahmad)
+ RTL text box works fine in writer, but not in impress
+ the old problem: three different text engines:
+ VCL, editeng (impress+calc), writer
+ writer one not in shape to be used by anything else
+ massive internal re-factoring problem
+ writer is a huge feature super-set of editeng.
+ lots of RTL things work fine in writer, but not draw/impress
+ code is in editeng/
+ tables are some draw shape
AI: + interact with Ahmad to get code pointers (Thorsten)
* Langtag work ongoing (Eike)
+ really lots of call-sites around the place.
+ adds langtags that are a superset of lang-country
+ getting it into shape for 4.0
* Complex text hack-fest mooted
+ Martin Hosken in the UK Q1 2013
+ could we get a Graphite / Harfbuzz / LibreOffice /
text-layout / lang-tagging hack-fest setup ?
+ volunteer needed to organise travel / location etc.
+ prolly Cambridge / UK would be do-able
+ or other options ?
* Closed 4.0 MAB (with thanks)
+ fdo#57059 - crash when scroll down on (Writer) HELP contents (Michael M)
+ fdo#56882 - Font list is unsorted in 'insert special character' dialog (Caolan)
* Open 4.0 MAB / regressions
+ 11 (of 31) older 6/21 4/18 3/16 3/14 2/13
35% 29% 22%
+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=54157&hide_resolved=1
+ thanks to Korrawit for his great triage / tagging work.
+ fdo#53525 - 2 columns Table of contents exceeds page width ?
+ fdo#55044 - particular DRAW OLE object incomplete
+ fdo#55563 - PPTX image background rendered incorrectly
+ fdo#55570 - significant autocorrect slow-down
+ fdo#56460 - CRASH when closing specific .odg files
+ fdo#56709 - Cell formatting dialog shows characters as squares for some languages
+ fdo#56808 - OLE Pictures are not displayed
+ fdo#57026 - particular .docx shows all text frames filling complete page size
+ fdo#57215 - Wrong text rotation in SVG Export
+ fdo#57259 - Master pages styles change view to "Default" instead of being applied
* 3.6 most annoying bugs ...
+ 31 (of 152) older 33/150 34/148 35/145 33/139 30/132 27/127 44/139 46/137
20% 22% 23% 24% 24% 23% 21% 32% 34%
+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=44446&hide_resolved=1
* 3.5 most annoying bugs ...
+ 65 (of 279) older 65/278 69/278 69/279 75/278 77/279 78/278 81/279 82/279
23% 23% 25% 25% 27% 28% 28% 29% 29%
+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=37361&hide_resolved=1
* 3.5 bugs tagged with 'regression'
+ 191(+5) bugs open of 917(+10) total
* ~Component count net *
+ Writer - 81 (+1)
+ Presentation - 19 (+1)
+ Spreadsheet - 11 (-5)
+ Database - 17 (+1)
+ Crashes - 19 (+3)
+ Drawing - 13 (+1)
+ LibreOffice - 11 (+0)
+ Borders - 9 (+0)
+ Migration - 5 (+0)
+ Basic - 3 (+0)
+ Writer / RTF - 3 (+2)
+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&product=LibreOffice&list_id=36764
+ Migration tracker: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43489
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