minutes of ESC call ...
Michael Meeks
michael.meeks at suse.com
Thu Feb 14 09:08:43 PST 2013
* Present
+ Stephan, Andras, Thorsten, Norbert, Eike, Joel, Caolan,
Markus, Michael M, Lionel, Mirek, Tibby, Cedric, Bjoern,
Petr, Michael S
* Completed Action Items
+ migrate 3.5 MAB's to 3.6 (Joel / QA guys)
+ review / back-port Mac signing foo for 4.0.1 (Tor)
+ RHEL5 base for tinderbox running (Caolan)
+ 64bit builds running locally, pending migration to new
build hardware, if 64bit works turn on 32bit
+ Investigate native build/env scripts for SDK (Bjoern)
+ use gnumake instead perhaps ? try harder ?
+ punted for now.
* Pending Action Items
+ find person who can write and add off-line help for impress-remote (Thorsten)
** + Update gsoc ideas page
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Gsoc/Ideas (all)
+ everybody should update their their tasks and add new ones
+ create/request mail alias for certification (Bjoern)
+ Bugzilla attachments not set to autodetect (Bjoern)
+ sent to Tollef, pending reply
+ full-word selection / editing ergonomics cf. UX-advise
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46517
+ pending input from Caolan / Cedric / Michael S
+ minimal triage for good mentors for proposed easy hacks (Bjoern)
+ disable Rhino / Beanshell unless in experimental mode (Michael M)
+ Ubuntu font licensing questions, clarify at Canonical (Bjoern)
+ helping out with code-pointers for UI bugs (Kendy)
+ reviewed them with Mirek in person, pointers pending
+ http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-ux-advise/2013-February/001817.html
* UX input (Mirek)
+ 4.0/4.x branding
+ E-mail voting results:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AsGS28t6YMF3dHFrTm9hMzZVNk9hNEZMN0NSbV9ZbXc#gid=0
+ two winners, Alex's and Maxim's
+ going for Maxim's proposal
AI: + push updated branding for 4.0.1 RC1; send TDF branded
versions out to ESC list (Astron)
+ Mirek to propose a talk at LibreGraphics
+ a great opportunity, may see Fridrich too.
* GSOC 2013 (Cedric)
+ announced last-week
+ we'll know if we will participate by April 8th
+ it is -really- important to have a great ideas page at that date:
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Gsoc/Ideas
+ this year final evaluations would happen during the LibreOffice conf.
* Release Engineering update (Petr)
+ 4.0.1 rc1 commit deadline 1.5 weeks out: Monday Feb 18
AI: + check RHEL5 dbus-glib / bluez bits for bluetooth (Caolan)
+ enable bluetooth remote control for windows
AI: + get LotusLive / CMIS fixes in (need review) (Michael)
+ 3.6.6 rc1 commit deadline 1 month out: Monday Mar 18
* Official discontinuation of 3.5 release (Petr)
+ all 3.5 MAB's are migrated to 3.6
AI: + poke marketing - do we want an official announcement of this (Petr)
+ no further 3.5 bugfix releases are planned
+ but no need to update bug versions on your bugs.
+ 3.6 is stable, 4.0.0 is out & looking good.
* on-line update strategy for 3.5.x all of it to 3.6.5 (Kendy)
+ 3.x-1.n -> 3.x.n works well - except for now
=> upgrade everything to 3.6.5
=> upgrade all 3.*.0 -> 4.0.0
+ potential ideal:
+ first-ever-start to check for updates and warn (Bjoern)
+ add to the recovery dialog
"your version is horribly old and crashy"
* 4.0.0 retrospective
+ branding changes were done much too late
+ bluetooth shipped in a horrible state:
+ different developer / distribution builds
+ more targetted testing communication (Moztrap ?)
+ still some incomplete upgrade / profile issues
+ improved / fixed for 4.0.1
+ more time to fix regressions before release (Michael S)
+ do we want to branch -x-0-0 at all ?
+ it is to avoiding breaking the last RC (Petr)
+ should we lower the review barrier from -4-0 to -4-0-0 ? (Bjoern)
+ moral hazard of sticking more stuff into .0 release (Thorsten)
+ better marketing / QA team co-ordination (Joel)
+ getting more people using pre-releases would
be useful & improving communication key.
* scp2 re-work (Bjoern)
+ starting proposal in gerrit
+ significantly reducing complexity
+ stepping stone to ridding ourselves of more perl magic
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/2144/
+ comments so far encouraging
+ how to get module info into gbuild ?
* Updating the help (Kendy)
+ we are pending migration of wikihelp server to a new machine
+ happy to have more languages: >70% a sensible yardstick ...
+ thanks to Zeki Bildirici for encouragement
+ don't want to block live users, need the new machine.
* Easy Hacks decline
+ out of date selection
+ wiki page needs updating:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Easy_Hacks
+ as/when you file an easy-hack update the above page.
+ too-few new hacks several stale / stalled ones
+ the 'Assigned To; field was really confusing to a newbie (Joel)
+ libreoffice-bugs at lists.freedesktop.org
+ can we tweak the default assignee / default user
to an "un-assigned" name ? (Bjoern)
* Gerrit - unpleasant (Michael)
+ "I would prefer that you didn't submit this" ->
"This probably needs some tweaks before it is merged"
+ "Do not submit" ->
"I would prefer this not to be committed in this state."
AI: + pour over the gerrit source code (Norbert)
* Certification Program (Stephan/Kendy/Bjoern)
+ no update, more or less blocked on Bjoern's mail-alias creation
+ get Matus certified ... [!]
AI: + ping Marc wrt. creatign a page with certified consultants in
alphabetical order with rates etc. (Joel)
+ Already users are interested in things like this: (Joel)
http://www.freedomsponsors.org/core/issue/?s=&project_id=149&project_name=LibreOffice
+ happy with advertising this on Ask if someone
says they are willing to pay.
* Hard Hacks:
+ http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/HardHacks
+ split between 3.6.x and 4.0.x
+ new ones
* QA update (Joel)
+ QA going smoothly
+ QA 'Assigned' status (push/pull)
+ not pushing them in the direction of individuals any more
* MABs
+ should have an asignee / CC
+ should not be left in NEEDINFO for months
+ users shouldn't report their own bugs ther.
+ help is needed with triagging the following bugs:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?emailtype1=exact&query_format=advanced&emailassigned_to1=1&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=REOPENED&version=4.0.0.0.alpha0%2B%20Master&version=4.0.0.0.alpha1&version=4.0.0.0.beta1&version=4.1.0.0.alpha0%2B%20Master&version=4.0.0.0.beta2&version=4.0.0.1%20rc&version=4.0.0.2%20rc&email1=libreoffice-bugs%40lists.freedesktop.org&product=LibreOffice&list_id=221457
* Open 4.1 MAB / regressions
+ 3 (of 3)
+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=60270&hide_resolved=1
* Open 4.0 MAB / regressions
+ 16 (of 94) older 16/91 13/79 17/76 10/69 14/64 13/48 13/41 9/34 10/34 11/31
17% 18% 22% 22% 14% 22% 27% 32% 26% 29% 35%
+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=54157&hide_resolved=1
* 3.6 most annoying bugs ...
+ 57 (of 189) older 44/175 45/175 43/174 42/173 36/166 37/164 34/160 35/158
30% 25% 25% 25% 24% 22% 23% 21% 22%
+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=44446&hide_resolved=1
* 3.5 most annoying bugs ...
+ 28 (of 247) older 47/264 47/264 48/265 49/266 49/266 50/266 54/268 62/277
11% 18% 18% 18% 18% 18% 19% 20% 22%
+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=37361&hide_resolved=1
* Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibsected'
+ 49 (of 133) older 47/131 45/126 42/117 40/114 43/110
+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?f1=status_whiteboard&list_id=204265&o1=substring&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&v1=bibisected&product=LibreOffice
* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
+ 270(+16) bugs open of 1258(+40) total
* ~Component count net *
+ Writer - 93 (+5) .
+ Presentation - 30 (+2) .
+ Spreadsheet - 28 (+6) .
+ Crashes - 21 (+1) .
+ Database - 20 (-1) .
+ LibreOffice - 19 (+2) .
+ Drawing - 17 (+2) .
+ Borders - 11 (+0) .
+ Migration - 5 (+0) .
+ Basic - 2 (-2) .
+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&product=LibreOffice&list_id=36764
+ Migration: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=43489&hide_resolved=1
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