minutes of ESC call ...

Michael Meeks michael.meeks at suse.com
Thu Jul 11 09:43:18 PDT 2013


* Present:
	* Hangout: Kendy, Joel, Kohei, Michael M, Petr, Tsahi,
	           Caolan, Bjoern
	* Phone:   Stephan, Ahmad, Christian, David, Eike, Norbert,
	           Ellie, Cedric, Cloph, Lionel, Michael S

* Completed Action items:
	+ get windows build-bot setup (Kendy)
		[ running well, one of the fastest tinderboxes,
		  doing incremental Windows builds of master + gerrit ]
	+ update visible bugzilla versions to hide ~all legacy versions (Joel)
		[ doing some tests, BSA is done - versions are hidden
		  with fdo - if hidden, can't edit a bug to that version,
		  ping Tollef for advice ]

* Pending Action items:
	+ get remaining GOSC guys introduced on the QA list (Cedric)
		[ poking them individually ]
	+ working on Date API fix for rc3 (Eike/Michael S)
		[ near to an end, decision whether to transport UTC
		  or localtime, not quite clarified, hope to sort it
		  out before tomorrow evening on IRC ]
	+ get windows build-bot setup (Thorsten)
	+ remember to invite pepp for next week (Michael)

* Release Engineering update (Cloph)
        + 3.6.7 rc2 update
		+ out on the mirrors, been pre-announced, hopefully
		  the final release.
	+ 4.1.0 rc3 status ...
		+ Monday is the deadline for RC3, if dates not ready,
		  veto tag creation
		+ we hope RC3 is our final release
			+ testing much appreciated.
		+ remove the .0 version from RC3,
AI:		+ improve configure to avoid versioning mistakes (Cloph)
	+ TDF Windows build hardware is in-flight to Munich
	+ tripple review continues on libreoffice-4-1-0 branch
	+ double review for libreoffice-4-1

* 4.1 status / MAB review (all)
	+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=60270&hide_resolved=1
		+ formcontrol issue -> dtardon on it.
		+ coretext issues: fdo#66577, fdo#665971
			+ tml on vacation - can Khaled help ?
		+ IE / .odt integration issue -> timar ?
		+ start time foo
			+ are we using AFMs in anger ?
			+ pspfontcache: should have AFM info in it.
			+ seems to be being re-written in error
				(caolan)
	+ fdo#65338 - really positive response to bibisect requests
		+ thanks to jorendc for the bibsect & Lubos for the fix.
AI:	+ file svg / help->about issue in master as 4.2 MAB (Astron)

* QA update (Joel)
	+ BSA is updated, if selected a collapsed / old version, it
	  recommends you update.
	+ QA Contest update
		+ got very close to the goal: 24->25% of the bugs triaged
		+ Joren & Joel counting now:
			+ hopefully will know in the next week who won.
		+ quite a lot of guys put in a substantial amount of time
			+ now hovering at 921 unconfirmed bugs.
			+ before at 1191 unconfirmed bugs.
	+ etherpad is up, thanks to Robison & Florian for hard work testing etc.
	+ skipping tomorrows' QA call.
	+ Need_Advice bugs input appreciated (more of them now)
		+ 10 bugs (-3) in that state (thanks)
		+ http://tinyurl.com/ce6d8km
	+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
		+142    -397	(-255 overall)
			+ however -285 are stale / NEEDINFO closures
		many thanks to the top five:
			Jorendc          11
			James            11
			mariosv          9
			Michael Stahl    5
			David Tardon     5
	+ another needinfo round for six month old bugs - next week.
		+ ask for info, wait a month, close if none.
	+ Final stats for round 1:
		+ 25% of bugs in needinfo - touched in some way => preserved.
		+ 75% closed as invalid.
			+ got a few E-mails, a couple why invalid ?
			+ responded: we need info, please provide.

* FISL event roundup (Bjoern)
	+ Awesome conference in Brazil, great attendance,
		+ good workshops, amazing community growth
		+ new people coming in; some communication
		  difficulties; face-to-face is easier
	+ Intel offered vtune licenses - LibreOffice a great
	  test case, how to proceed from there ?
		+ get some vtune licenses from there, or
		+ give them samples to play around with ?
AI:	+ send details to Pierre-Eric (Bjoern)

* GSOC update (Cedric)
	+ please mentor your students, mid-term evaluations
		+ around 2 weeks away ...
		+ Mon 29th July until end of that week

* UX input (Astron)
	+ not so much on the list, no chat last week.
		+ controversy - insert ruler
AI:		+ fdo#60858 needs input (Astron)
	+ need to ship rulers again even though awful (Cedric)
		+ need to add code to guess / fixup paths too (Michael)
AI:		+ file a bug to split out that piece (Cedric)
	+ and the UI piece which is horrible needs thought too (Cedric)
		+ always someone uses a fn. that almost everyone
		  thinks is useless (Astron)
		+ avoid bringing back the garish / pixellated ruler
		  imagery
	+ prefer sidebar option when enabled to enable it
	  for all components by default, rather than using
	  the menu.
	+ discussion about the theme for the planet is ongoing.

* Certification Program (Stephan/Kendy/Bjoern)
	+ nothing much happening.

* Help -> Send Feedback issue (Bjoern)
	+ lots of things sent via BSA are support requests which are invalid.
	+ idea to have a mailing list instead for English pre-processing,
	  as per French (but doesn't save any time)
	+ instead send them to ask.libreoffice.org ?
		+ and hope to escalate those to bugs ?
	+ another option is a landing page (Joel)
		+ concern wrt. escallation latency etc. from Ask
		+ better to have a clear landing page
		+ "definite bug" -> help
		+ "support" -> ask
		+ "instructions" -> wiki
	+ should we re-use Mozilla's work ? (Michael)
		+ https://input.mozilla.org/en-US/feedback
	+ launchpad has a similar problem (Bjoern)
		+ openid makes account creation easy;
		  button to turn it into a question ->
		  invalid -> askbot
	+ bugzilla / account creation is painful - ask / openid is easier
	+ Rob asked the design list to do something like that (Astron)
		+ http://dl.dropbox.com/u/87946285/libreoffice/feedback/feedback-page.html
	+ ongoing issue with fdo (can't use openID)
		+ Robinson - might be able to improve 'ask' to add a
		  'file a bug' button to fdo for ask moderators.
			+ and auto-set it to NEW ?
			+ avoids authentication / openID issues
AI:		+ talk to Robinson about that (Joel)
		+ can do all the data collection there before push
		  to bugzilla
			+ share de-duplication with Ask guys ?

* UI dialog conversion (Caolan)
	+ 290 dialogs so far
		+ Qudos to:
			+ excellent work from KACST
				+ converting the help as well which is great.
			+ also Andras' students and others doing good work there.
	+ somewhat over 1/2 way to the goal and improving.

* Open 4.2 MAB
	+ 2/2
	+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65675

* Open 4.1 MAB
        + 7 (of 52) older 7/48 2/42 4/39 5/37 7/32 3/26 3/23 4/17 3/16 3/16
             14%          15%
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=60270&hide_resolved=1

* Open 4.0 MAB
        + 12 (of 135) older 12/134 12/133 12/132 16/132 14/130 16/129 16/128 18/129
             9%              9%     9%     9%     12%    11%    13%    14%    13%
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=54157&hide_resolved=1

* 3.6 most annoying bugs ...
        + 62 (of 243) older 60/241 57/238 63/237 65/236 68/235 67/232 69/231 71/229
             25%             25%    24%    27%    28%    29%    30%    31%    32%
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=44446&hide_resolved=1

* Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibsected'
        + 34 (of 123) older 36/122 38/119 37/114 39/114 41/112 36/105 35/100
                http://bit.ly/VQfF3Q

* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
	+ 298(+4) bugs open of 1723(+26) total

	* ~Component   count net *
	        Writer - 92 (-2)
	   Libreoffice - 27 (+1)
	   Spreadsheet - 27 (+0)
	      Database - 26 (+1)
	  Presentation - 26 (-1)
	       Crashes - 22 (-1)
	       Drawing - 18 (+0)
	       Borders - 14 (+0)
	         BASIC -  3 (+1)
	     Migration -  3 (+0)

        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&product=LibreOffice&list_id=36764
        + Migration: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=43489&hide_resolved=1

-- 
michael.meeks at suse.com  <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot



More information about the LibreOffice mailing list