minutes of ESC call ...
Michael Meeks
michael.meeks at suse.com
Thu Jul 11 09:43:18 PDT 2013
* Present:
* Hangout: Kendy, Joel, Kohei, Michael M, Petr, Tsahi,
Caolan, Bjoern
* Phone: Stephan, Ahmad, Christian, David, Eike, Norbert,
Ellie, Cedric, Cloph, Lionel, Michael S
* Completed Action items:
+ get windows build-bot setup (Kendy)
[ running well, one of the fastest tinderboxes,
doing incremental Windows builds of master + gerrit ]
+ update visible bugzilla versions to hide ~all legacy versions (Joel)
[ doing some tests, BSA is done - versions are hidden
with fdo - if hidden, can't edit a bug to that version,
ping Tollef for advice ]
* Pending Action items:
+ get remaining GOSC guys introduced on the QA list (Cedric)
[ poking them individually ]
+ working on Date API fix for rc3 (Eike/Michael S)
[ near to an end, decision whether to transport UTC
or localtime, not quite clarified, hope to sort it
out before tomorrow evening on IRC ]
+ get windows build-bot setup (Thorsten)
+ remember to invite pepp for next week (Michael)
* Release Engineering update (Cloph)
+ 3.6.7 rc2 update
+ out on the mirrors, been pre-announced, hopefully
the final release.
+ 4.1.0 rc3 status ...
+ Monday is the deadline for RC3, if dates not ready,
veto tag creation
+ we hope RC3 is our final release
+ testing much appreciated.
+ remove the .0 version from RC3,
AI: + improve configure to avoid versioning mistakes (Cloph)
+ TDF Windows build hardware is in-flight to Munich
+ tripple review continues on libreoffice-4-1-0 branch
+ double review for libreoffice-4-1
* 4.1 status / MAB review (all)
+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=60270&hide_resolved=1
+ formcontrol issue -> dtardon on it.
+ coretext issues: fdo#66577, fdo#665971
+ tml on vacation - can Khaled help ?
+ IE / .odt integration issue -> timar ?
+ start time foo
+ are we using AFMs in anger ?
+ pspfontcache: should have AFM info in it.
+ seems to be being re-written in error
(caolan)
+ fdo#65338 - really positive response to bibisect requests
+ thanks to jorendc for the bibsect & Lubos for the fix.
AI: + file svg / help->about issue in master as 4.2 MAB (Astron)
* QA update (Joel)
+ BSA is updated, if selected a collapsed / old version, it
recommends you update.
+ QA Contest update
+ got very close to the goal: 24->25% of the bugs triaged
+ Joren & Joel counting now:
+ hopefully will know in the next week who won.
+ quite a lot of guys put in a substantial amount of time
+ now hovering at 921 unconfirmed bugs.
+ before at 1191 unconfirmed bugs.
+ etherpad is up, thanks to Robison & Florian for hard work testing etc.
+ skipping tomorrows' QA call.
+ Need_Advice bugs input appreciated (more of them now)
+ 10 bugs (-3) in that state (thanks)
+ http://tinyurl.com/ce6d8km
+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
+142 -397 (-255 overall)
+ however -285 are stale / NEEDINFO closures
many thanks to the top five:
Jorendc 11
James 11
mariosv 9
Michael Stahl 5
David Tardon 5
+ another needinfo round for six month old bugs - next week.
+ ask for info, wait a month, close if none.
+ Final stats for round 1:
+ 25% of bugs in needinfo - touched in some way => preserved.
+ 75% closed as invalid.
+ got a few E-mails, a couple why invalid ?
+ responded: we need info, please provide.
* FISL event roundup (Bjoern)
+ Awesome conference in Brazil, great attendance,
+ good workshops, amazing community growth
+ new people coming in; some communication
difficulties; face-to-face is easier
+ Intel offered vtune licenses - LibreOffice a great
test case, how to proceed from there ?
+ get some vtune licenses from there, or
+ give them samples to play around with ?
AI: + send details to Pierre-Eric (Bjoern)
* GSOC update (Cedric)
+ please mentor your students, mid-term evaluations
+ around 2 weeks away ...
+ Mon 29th July until end of that week
* UX input (Astron)
+ not so much on the list, no chat last week.
+ controversy - insert ruler
AI: + fdo#60858 needs input (Astron)
+ need to ship rulers again even though awful (Cedric)
+ need to add code to guess / fixup paths too (Michael)
AI: + file a bug to split out that piece (Cedric)
+ and the UI piece which is horrible needs thought too (Cedric)
+ always someone uses a fn. that almost everyone
thinks is useless (Astron)
+ avoid bringing back the garish / pixellated ruler
imagery
+ prefer sidebar option when enabled to enable it
for all components by default, rather than using
the menu.
+ discussion about the theme for the planet is ongoing.
* Certification Program (Stephan/Kendy/Bjoern)
+ nothing much happening.
* Help -> Send Feedback issue (Bjoern)
+ lots of things sent via BSA are support requests which are invalid.
+ idea to have a mailing list instead for English pre-processing,
as per French (but doesn't save any time)
+ instead send them to ask.libreoffice.org ?
+ and hope to escalate those to bugs ?
+ another option is a landing page (Joel)
+ concern wrt. escallation latency etc. from Ask
+ better to have a clear landing page
+ "definite bug" -> help
+ "support" -> ask
+ "instructions" -> wiki
+ should we re-use Mozilla's work ? (Michael)
+ https://input.mozilla.org/en-US/feedback
+ launchpad has a similar problem (Bjoern)
+ openid makes account creation easy;
button to turn it into a question ->
invalid -> askbot
+ bugzilla / account creation is painful - ask / openid is easier
+ Rob asked the design list to do something like that (Astron)
+ http://dl.dropbox.com/u/87946285/libreoffice/feedback/feedback-page.html
+ ongoing issue with fdo (can't use openID)
+ Robinson - might be able to improve 'ask' to add a
'file a bug' button to fdo for ask moderators.
+ and auto-set it to NEW ?
+ avoids authentication / openID issues
AI: + talk to Robinson about that (Joel)
+ can do all the data collection there before push
to bugzilla
+ share de-duplication with Ask guys ?
* UI dialog conversion (Caolan)
+ 290 dialogs so far
+ Qudos to:
+ excellent work from KACST
+ converting the help as well which is great.
+ also Andras' students and others doing good work there.
+ somewhat over 1/2 way to the goal and improving.
* Open 4.2 MAB
+ 2/2
+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65675
* Open 4.1 MAB
+ 7 (of 52) older 7/48 2/42 4/39 5/37 7/32 3/26 3/23 4/17 3/16 3/16
14% 15%
+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=60270&hide_resolved=1
* Open 4.0 MAB
+ 12 (of 135) older 12/134 12/133 12/132 16/132 14/130 16/129 16/128 18/129
9% 9% 9% 9% 12% 11% 13% 14% 13%
+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=54157&hide_resolved=1
* 3.6 most annoying bugs ...
+ 62 (of 243) older 60/241 57/238 63/237 65/236 68/235 67/232 69/231 71/229
25% 25% 24% 27% 28% 29% 30% 31% 32%
+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=44446&hide_resolved=1
* Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibsected'
+ 34 (of 123) older 36/122 38/119 37/114 39/114 41/112 36/105 35/100
http://bit.ly/VQfF3Q
* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
+ 298(+4) bugs open of 1723(+26) total
* ~Component count net *
Writer - 92 (-2)
Libreoffice - 27 (+1)
Spreadsheet - 27 (+0)
Database - 26 (+1)
Presentation - 26 (-1)
Crashes - 22 (-1)
Drawing - 18 (+0)
Borders - 14 (+0)
BASIC - 3 (+1)
Migration - 3 (+0)
+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&product=LibreOffice&list_id=36764
+ Migration: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=43489&hide_resolved=1
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