minutes of ESC call ...
michael.meeks at suse.com
Thu Jul 18 08:34:02 PDT 2013
Hangout: Andras, Bjoern, Michael M, Thorsten, Tsahi,
Miklos, Adam, Kohei
Phone: Lionel, Eike, David, Norbert, Cloph, Petr,
Pierre-Eric, Kendy, Tibbylickle
Trying etherpad for the 1st time: cf. unusual formatting.
* Completed Action Items
+ poke at AFM startup / fontcache issue (Caolan)
+ invite pepp for next week (Michael)
+ working on Date API fix for rc3 (Eike/Michael S)
[ made it into rc3 - many thanks to all concerned !
Eike, Lionel, Michael S ]
+ sidebar option should default enabled it when enabled (Kendy)
+ sent vtune details to Pierre-Eric (Bjoern)
[ pending response from Intel ]
+ talk with Robinson Ask => fdo integration / flow (Joel)
[ doesn't particularly like moving all bugs -> ask
may overload the admins & change our workflow,
instead move ahead with feedback ]
+ get windows build-bot setup (Thorsten)
[ one machine sent to Cloph, another doing
it's first build, and nice howto from Kendy, which
is here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Tinderbox/Setup ]
* Pending Action items:
+ get remaining GOSC guys introduced on the QA list (Cedric)
+ fdo#60858 needs input (Astron)
+ file a bug to split out the ruler-fix piece (Cedric)
+ file svg / help->about issue in master as 4.2 MAB (Astron)
+ improve configure to avoid versioning mistakes (Cloph)
* Release Engineering update (Cloph)
+ 3.6.7 rc2 update, prepared to be announced
+ 4.1.0 rc3 status ...
+ ready to be pushed to mirros after 3.6.7 has been done
+ pre-announce rc3 tomorrow
+ delays down to last minute iterator and indexing fix for Windows.
+ editing master-pages => release notes, have fix in master
* Should we kill TDF .deb builds ? (Bjoern)
+ pkgs are lame, neither Rene nor Bjoern working on that
+ direct people to Rene's builds / PPAs instead ?
+ long run: fix up-stream pkging to be more distro-like
+ significant differences Debian -> TDF (Lionel)
+ pwrt. internal libraries / embedded copies
+ nice to have a comparison to see where the bug is
+ TDF builds run anywhere; Debian/Ubuntu builds not as much
+ what is the real problem ? (Michael)
+ someone wants to install TDF packages, and uninstall them (Bjoern)
+ could we add a provide + a conflict (Michael)
+ people try to un-install the distro package - but remove
the meta-package, de-install the meta-package
(or forget pkgs like uno/ure which are not globbed by libreoffice*)
+ problems are inevitable for ISVs (Lionel)
+ just fixed 2x problems with Debian dependencies (Petr)
+ Stephan fixed one before vacation (Michael)
+ instead chance the pkging - to use a single name just
libreoffice+ver everywhere (Petr)
+ get rid of ugly core-01 etc. pkgs - many of them with no ideas
of what is inside them
AI: come up with proposal for what to do (Rene, Bjoern, Petr)
* QA update (Joel)
+ did the auto-feedback work for the next round of needinfo bugs
+ not closed yet, wait a month
+ counting almost done for the contest, so we should know winners soon.
+ feedback bits (thanks Joren for helping with this)
+ Robinson kindly committed to do the initial work
+ want it as simple as possible to start with, no twitter
+ happy + sad face etc. for sending general feedback.
+ a 'get involved' button.
+ button on the 'ask' site for 'report a bug'
+ admin button to move an ask question to FDO automatically.
+ ask admins are stretched already
+ let users pre-sort bug vs. ask etc.
+ Need_Advice bugs input appreciated (more of them now)
+ 10 bugs (+0) in that state (thanks)
+113 -95 (+18 overall)
many thanks to the top five:
David Tardon 13
Caolán McNamara 5
Michael Stahl 5
* round-trip interop. work (Tsahi/Adam/Miklos)
+ round-trip interop. of OOXML documents very important to us (Tsahi)
+ focusing on preserving data, to remove any fear of data loss
+ plan is to add missing data elements to the internal model
+ initially hidden, without rendering - just import/export
+ then incrementally add editing.
+ needed to add various MSO properties, or MCE / alternates
+ considering adding them to the data model.
+ currently several commits: some approved / some blocked
+ concern is around ODF; should we serialize some of this mess there ?
+ and pay a significant cost for doing that ?
+ some concerns (Miklos)
+ in general new elements in the data model / UNO API, we always
updated the ODF filters too.
+ for DOCX filter we have to change the UNO API - because it is a pure
+ one compromise might be do-able:
add a special property that is a container for these; add a:
sequence<string,Any> - and document in the IDL: "anything here will
not be serialized to ODF"
+ perhaps we can live with that.
+ can we abuse the UNO tunnel for this (Eike)
+ sw already depends on writerfilter
+ need to discard the foreign properties on a object when it is mutated
or work harder to determine what to do (Michael)
+ need to add a new property to each object ? (Adam)
+ yes, so - add a single new property 'InteropGrabBag' (Miklos)
+ with this container in the core, wouldn't have to touch the core much
except to invalidate it
AI: + write a trivial example for paragraph properties (Miklos)
+ invalidate on copy/mutate - and load/save to OOXML
+ is the main motivation the smart-art, or other things ? (Kendy)
+ nope - it's everything (Michael)
+ also interested in correct rendering, but preserve first (Tsahi)
+ really sequence of sequences<string,any>
* Easy hacks (Bjoern)
+ need alerts / annotations for attached patches ?
+ ask Cloph to provide some input on patches that are not responded to
+ have 43/339 Easy Hacks without action for > 1 year, should we review them ?
+ => discuss next week
+ what's the issue with old ones (Lionel)
+ concern around 'easy to fix' -> but not fixed yet, users get upset (Joel)
+ not interested in upset users who complain about lack of trivial fixes (Michael)
+ concern wrt. lack of sexiness of easy hacks (Bjoern)
+ don't we just need to rotate the front-page of easy hacks ? (Michael)
AI: + rotate easy hacks on https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Easy_Hacks (Joel)
* Integrating Chrome's performance mgmt framework (Pierre-Eric)
+ have integrated it, quite simple, would like to merge it up-stream
+ useful / can observe async events
+ would like to ask the user to run the tool to get more detail on what's up
+ can use simple macros, re-use Chrome's ? with a small set of them, we can use them everywhere
+ a menu entry for start / stop the profile (?)
+ the JSON files have to be rendered by Chromium: chrome://tracing/
+ very small piece of C++ code
+ add trace-points around the code, and measure times between them.
+ begin/end event pairs around the place
+ async start + async end: start a timer, end a timer etc.
+ what is the run-time cost (Norbert)
+ check one boolean at the trace-points (Pierre-Eric)
+ and light footprint size-wize ? (Norbert)
+ two strings, category + name + thread-id + event type
+ can add JSON meta-data too if you want.
+ prefer to add it under debug build at first (Norbert)
+ if people like it, make it more widely available
+ timing in debug code is very different (Pierre-Eric)
AI: + polish & push to a feature branch (Pierre-Eric)
+ had this rtl_logfile in the past that did timings (Michael)
+ we're killing this (Bjoern, Norbert)
* GSOC update (Cedric)
+ should start merging student's changes into master around now
+ don't want a huge rush just before the mid-term
+ after the merge - continue to work on master ? (Norbert)
+ depends on the student & their preference (Kendy)
+ would like to encourage working on master (Norbert)
+ should encourage students to start working on master
+ mid-term is 29th July - until end of the week.
+ encourage students to blog etc.
* UX input (Astron)
* Certification Program (Stephan/Kendy/Bjoern)
* Coverity interview
+ in Markus' absence volunteer Norbert
+ AI (done) reply to coverity about accepting their request. (Norbert)
+ had a couple of requests for access, if not someone known:
an active committer, denied access until more of a track record.
+ seems to make sense.
* IAccessible2 work
+ small & well contained: under 10k LOC
+ continued concern from around the place re: odd headers
+ should be compile-time conditional until that is solved
+ all code must have a clear LGPLv3 or ALv2 license & origin details in commit
+ should retain the old Java code until above mess is sorted out.
+ help merging much appreciated.
* Gerrit migration (Bjoern)
+ infra guys put gerrit on another machine
+ seems to be working, except that groups are not there
+ migrate now - no-one could push to master, except admins
+ need to fix this before migration.
+ other missing bits:
+ theming, gitweb can be missed for a few days, buildbot [!]
+ need to sort it out.
+ not involved in gerrit migration (Cloph)
+ suspect that data is stored with gerrit itself (Norbert)
AI: + will take a look at it (Norbert)
* Open 4.2 MAB
* Open 4.1 MAB
+ 3 (of 55) older 7/52 7/48 2/42 4/39 5/37 7/32 3/26 3/23 4/17
5% 14% 15%
* Open 4.0 MAB
+ 12 (of 137) older 12/135 12/134 12/133 12/132 16/132 14/130 16/129
9% 9% 9% 9% 9% 12% 11% 13%
* 3.6 most annoying bugs ...
+ 60 (of 243) older 62/243 60/241 57/238 63/237 65/236 68/235 67/232
25% 25% 25% 24% 27% 28% 29% 30%
* Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibsected'
+ 34 (of 124) older 34/123 36/122 38/119 37/114 39/114 41/112 36/105 35/100
* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
+ 287(-11) bugs open of 1740(+17) total
* ~Component count net *
Writer - 92 (+0)
Libreoffice - 28 (+1)
Presentation - 25 (-1)
Database - 24 (-2)
Spreadsheet - 24 (-3)
Crashes - 21 (-1)
Drawing - 16 (-2)
Borders - 13 (-1)
BASIC - 3 (+0)
Migration - 3 (+0)
+ Migration: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=43489&hide_resolved=1
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