minutes of ESC call ...
Michael Meeks
michael.meeks at collabora.com
Thu Jul 3 08:07:45 PDT 2014
* Present
+ Cloph, Jacobo, Markus, Ptyl, Adam, David, Stephan, Norbert, Miklos,
Caolan, Kendy, Eike, Lionel, Robinson, Michael S, Michael M, Andras, Muthu
* Completed Action Items:
+ research / seek a saner access2base solution for master (Stephan)
[ should probably do it as a bundled extension.
pre-registration in 3.6 times caused the trouble.
No pressing arguments against bundled extensions now. ]
+ look at fillattribute branch wrt. fdo#78908 & fdo#79158 (Miklos)
[ merged to master; discussed back-porting to 4.3 ...
input appreciated from Michael S. Easiest to revert the
first part from 4.3.
Prefer to revert half-finished version for 4.3 (Caolan)
+ have another small fix in-hand, plenty more to come
AI: + revert onto the -4-3 branch (Miklos)
]
+ review crazy SfxItemPool hash speedup patch (Kendy)
* Pending Action Items:
+ ask UX advise wrt. wrench icons (revert or not ?) (Astron)
+ scripting to generate / list last week's UI changes (Cloph)
[ in progress ... ]
+ blog about the sad realities of web plugins (Bjoern)
+ poke potential Boston Hackfest hosters again (Michael)
* GSOC Update (Cedric)
AI: ** All mentors, please invite students in good standing to LibOCon!
+ also remember to register for the conference:
http://conference.libreoffice.org/2014/registration/
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 4.3.0 RC2 status - is out.
+ 4.3.0 RC3 - final
+ several patches not integrated & need review.
+ need help reviewing them
+ filed for the -4-3 branch, but not automatically on -4-3-0
AI: ** please submit fixes for -4-3-0 as well.
+ 3x patches pending:
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/q/status:open+project:core+branch:libreoffice-4-3,n,z
+ Triple review required for 4.3.0
+ Double review for libreoffice-4-3
+ 4.2.5 retrospective
+ no known problems; enabled auto-update without issues.
+ 4.2.6 RC1 deadline - Monday
+ Windows 8 / registry key mangling / Photos
+ broken for Vista and above (Timar)
+ not a good idea to touch the KindMap at all.
+ happened last summer.
+ reported in April; mis-prioritised ?
+ made it a MAB today.
+ will 4.2.6 be released before 4.3.0 ? (Michael)
+ when did the on-line update to recommend 4.2 ?
+ last week (Cloph)
+ fix won't mend the broken system (Timar)
+ can publish a .reg file to mend it.
AI: + build a 4.2.5.3 with registry fix (Cloph)
+ and ask internally for quick test / ship ?
+ only for Windows (Michael S)
+ Android / iOS remotes
+ Late features ?
+ OpenGL wrapper not finished for Mac (yet) (Markus)
+ no access to a Mac to write OpenGL bindings for VCL
+ not a huge fix, needs to be done by someone with access
+ is remote access good enough ? (Cloph)
+ unclear (Markus)
+ need the core OpenGL framework from Apple (Markus)
+ Announce anyway, and implement for Mac later
+ people are encouraged to contribute on Mac (Miklos)
+ Android only remote eg. (Kendy)
+ 2 patches removing dialogs and strings to fix bugs (Markus)
+ http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=77cec206e3c49490e6e380c52cb6d45277a03f65
+ http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/chart2?id=c97424f82a8d9d50d98e868cf0c1c2731ee15e74
+ disabling the GL3DChart in the chart wizard
+ workaround for new strings.
AI: + submit for patch review (Markus)
* More Mac Hardware (Michael)
+ sad to see OpenGL support not done - lack of macs.
+ approved $1k to buy Markus a Mac Mini (Norbert, Michael, Adam, Caolan)
* Crashtest update (Markus)
+ machine rebooting itself at random times midway through... (Markus)
+ on a TDF server, running perf VM & crash testing
+ other VMs run fine (Cloph)
+ no indication on the host side that the VM has problems.
+ just see in the guest that it has rebooted
+ last line in the journal, SEGV's in the test & then reboots ...
+ http://pastie.org/9347335
+ is there some physical machine we can run this on ? (Kendy)
+ problems in the past with machine becoming un-responsive (Markus)
+ happened for the last 3x test runs ...
+ can we run it more slowly (Michael)
+ currently run at ~100% of CPU, but can reduce parallelism (Markus)
+ did we get anywhere with distributing the work in the TB script (Michael)
+ no (Norbert)
AI: + can we try adding per-process resource limits (Markus)
+ 4.2 results are much worse than 4.3 results; pwrt. validation.
* Certification Committee (Stephan/Bjoern/Kendy)
+ waiting until ~September
AI: + invite Umesh Kadam to next ESC call (Michael)
* Paris Hackfest summary (Norbert)
+ nice place, plenty of room, lots of people
+ thinks 3x days is better (Lionel)
+ lots of initial compile / bootstrap cost.
+ arrive with ~never used laptop, takes ages to build
+ people don't achieve as much as they could.
+ missed the pre-built Amazon / Virtual-Machine idea (Markus)
AI: + setup some VM's that can be created on-demand (Cloph)
+ experience from hack-fests in India (Muthu)
+ pre-built LibreOffice in a VM & shared it on an external hard-disk
+ helped with bootstrap time.
+ please fill out:
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Paris2014#Achievements
* SPAM problems on freedesktop lists (Thorsten)
[ punted to next time ].
* 4.3 'under the hood' ideas (Michael)
+ performance bits / regressions
+ LibreOfficeKit
+ dialog conversion
+ German comments ...
+ Coverity [ amazing numbers ~0.08 defect density vs.
Linux Kernel 0.6 (wow) ]
+ Clang plugins / re-factoring
+ Noel working on lots of stuff.
+ inlining
+ SvStream binary overloaded operators gone !
+ weekly news (?)
+ regression testing / validation results / trends etc.
+ need data (?)
+ pch updates (?)
+ eg. b312a38797b19e95a08e7a06595cd04236e05f07
+ 'make' improvements ?
+ Visual Studio build file / IDE integration work ?
+ VCL cleanups (Chris Sherlock)
+ death of doctok (http://vmiklos.hu/blog/doctok.html)
+ OpenGL is a run-time, not build-time dependency:
+ OpenGL transitions on baseline & distribute it
* Hackfests (Bjoern)
+ Boston Hackfest:
+ July 26-27th
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2014/US_Summer_Hackfest
+ Tough to line-up mentoring devs
+ would appreciate developers via Google Hangout etc.
+ QA is happy to recruit programmers for our internal projects,
but would like to share w/the dev team.
+ poke potential hosters again (Michael)
+ (possible) Seattle
+ Oct 25-27
+ Straw poll: Who could make these dates?
+ prolly better to ping people individually (Michael)
+ Be great to have -really- easy easy hacks for devs (Bjoern)
+ Toulouse Hackfest ...
+ Confirmed for Nov. 15-16th
+ more details: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Toulouse2014
* QA (Robinson)
+ going well.
+ Unconfirmed count ?
+ Staying stable at ~970
+ Needadvice
+ ACCESSIBILITY: remove deprecated atk_role_register
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=75191
+ Extra lines appearing in MSO-generated ODT
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77961
+ can clueful people confirm their own bugs as they file.
+ Bibisected regressions still increasing slowly ...
+ help wrt. fixing appreciated.
* UX Update (Astron)
+ title resolution ?
+ team positions in the design team, took discussion to
<http://www.mail-archive.com/board-discuss@documentfoundation.org/msg03268.html>
* QA stats:
+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
+174 -156 (+18 overall)
many thanks to the top bug squashers:
Jorendc 21
Joel Madero 18
Caolán McNamara 12
Jay Philips 9
Urmas 8
Julien Nabet 7
ign_christian 6
Cor Nouws 6
Maxim Monastirsky 5
Olivier Hallot 5
Michael Stahl 5
Foss 4
* Open 4.3 MAB
+ 10/32 6/27 5/24 5/22 3/20 5/16 4/12 2/8 3/7 2/5 1/2 1/2 0/1 0/1
31% 22% 20% 22% 15%
+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=75025&hide_resolved=1
* Open 4.2 MAB
+ 76/215 74/212 74/210 71/207 71/205 73/200 64/190 62/184 49/165
35% 34% 35% 34% 34% 36% 33% 33% 29%
+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=65675&hide_resolved=1
* Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibsected'
+ 84/280 81/274 79/265 75/259 70/249 59/231 48/215 45/208 46/207
+ http://bit.ly/VQfF3Q
* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
+ 381(+19) bugs open of 2779(+31) total
~Component count net *
Writer - 112 (+7)
Spreadsheet - 64 (+4)
Crashes - 25 (+1)
Presentation - 24 (+1)
Libreoffice - 24 (+1)
UI - 22 (+2)
Graphics - 22 (+4)
Database - 18 (-1)
Borders - 17 (+0)
Drawing - 14 (+0)
Filters - 12 (+1)
Print / PDF - 10 (-1)
Chart - 6 (+0)
Formula - 5 (+2)
Extensions - 5 (+0)
Installation - 3 (+0)
Linguistic - 3 (+0)
framework - 3 (+0)
BASIC - 2 (+0)
Migration - 1 (+0)
sdk - 0 (+0)
Impress Remote - 0 (+0)
+ http://bit.ly/15mM2Yn - for devs ( no NEEDINFO / UNCONFIRMED )
+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=3Dregression%2C%20&=keywords_type=3Dallwords&resolution=3D---&query_format=3Dadvanced&product==3DLibreOffice&list_id=3D36764
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