minutes of ESC call ...
michael.meeks at collabora.com
Thu Oct 30 09:39:13 PDT 2014
+ David, Bjoern, Michael M, Andras, Norbert, Kendy, Markus,
Miklos, Robinson, Stephan, Jan-Marek , Lionel, Cloph, Caolan,
Jacobo, Eike, Michael S, Muthu
* Completed Action Items:
+ setup call to co-ordinate new load/save/validate hardware (Markus)
+ stick with the GetSolarVersion plan & put it into the release notes (Marcos)
+ revert boost::rational changes for now (Kendy)
+ poke Taras wrt. UI / telemetry code re-use here (Michael)
* Pending Action Items:
+ get a clear use-case & description of what doesn't work vs. master wrt. Calc sorting (JBF)
[ Work in progress. At the moment I have at least 3 different use-cases:
# bank account: the sorted range contains a column where each cell contains the same formula (fdo#81633 and fdo#85215)
# sorting students by their scores: the cells in the sorted column contains formula with functions like AVERAGE() or SUM() (fdo#79441)
# computing an indicator from data: the cell containing the formula with references is outside the range of cells that is sorted (fdo#45146)
# I am pretty sure I will find other use-cases ]
AI: [ poke JBF - what is the status here ? and what to do next ? ]
+ look at regressions associated with a SUSE bugzilla bugfix (Timar)
* Release Engineering update (Cloph)
+ 4.2.7 & 4.3.3 released as final today
AI: + mention calc sorting issue in the 4.2.7 release notes.
+ unclear what went wrong wrt. bug reporting / fixing / on
that issue and/or how to fix it.
+ Questionable new feature breaks existing workflow / new behavior set as default / new feature backported to stable
+ 4.4 Alpha 1 status
+ horrible problem with calc - not refreshing the background
+ zoom issues etc. a display problem.
+ fixed via a revert.
+ problem building all languages on Windows
+ prolly the PATH limit too: for now building in c:\lo\
+ working on a fix to make it less reliant on v. short paths
+ how did the VS 2013 build go
+ no problems related to this identified yet;
+ do we get issues with earlier CPUs with no SSE2 ?
+ good that we discovered these breakages early (Bjoern)
AI: + poke at fdo#84854 (Michael)
+ no harm in reverting for now, can always replace.
+ 4.4 Alpha 2
+ planning to do a new tag later this week for testing.
+ 4.4.0 Beta 1 / Feature Freeze
+ due November 17th.
+ 4.3.4 RC1 - Nov 24th
+ Android Remote
* Crashtest futures / automated test scripts (Markus)
+ call on Tuesday; new testing hardware.
+ result - get a Manitu server & leave room in the budget for
ondemand Amazon instances (with spot pricing) if there is
special need at some point.
+ will migrate when we have the perf. crash. testing & fuzzing,
and should bring down all the times.
+ perf testing: in 2-3 hours (same day)
+ crash testing: to ~1 day.
+ talked with Matus: a way to notify developers similar to tinderbox.
+ could have bibsect repositories there too (Norbert)
+ and at least 1 VM to try crazy new testing ideas.
+ budget specifically for load/save/validate testing (Michael)
+ any concerns / Bjoern ?
+ lets not let that creep in wildly; test new things,
but not burn lots of CPU.
+ what was missing - a real comparison of prices ? (Bjoern)
+ comparison happened on the mailing list by now.
+ decision to buy the base-load and dynamically rent the discretionary work.
+ when does it arrive ? (Michael)
+ Florian pinging Manitu wrt. conditions etc.
+ will take 2-4 weeks to get it setup.
+ right after Beta 1-2 will that be a good time ? (Bjoern)
+ mostly just migrating the VM(s) across (Cloph)
+ ~trivial to migrate the workload (Markus)
* Crashtest update (Markus)
+ http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/crashtest/013ec10d4e89e86cbd53a88058defb7e97ebaa49/ (25-Oct-2014)
+ still a big spike in DOCX export crashers
+ if no-one beats him: will look into it next week (Miklos)
+ otherwise similar to last week
+ most of the PDF import crashers fixed since last week
+ RTF import & export are now set to zero (Miklos)
* Seattle Hackfest (Robinson/Norbert)
+ around 32 people showed up
+ lots of Linux & Mac users showed up, few Windows users
+ lots of interest in getting involved.
+ several people eager to come but couldn't make it - eager to come next time.
+ lots of build work (Norbert)
+ lots of setup / long & heavy etc.
+ got 5-6 new people with builds
+ how did pre-built VM's fare (Michael)
+ a couple of guys used that (Norbert)
+ 1x person on IRC, asked for help with x2go connection (Cloph)
+ saw 1x building & 1x using only.
+ better documentation - good for next time ? (Robinson)
+ VS 2013 express user (Norbert)
+ ran into a problem wrt. wrong SDK; apparently a
blank Windows 8.1 with VS.Express is not good.
+ badly need ways to stop 'building' consuming the hack-fest (Michael)
+ or a way to keep hand-holding after the hack-fest (Bjoern)
+ lots of people expected to use a VM for build (Kohei)
+ lots of questions, but couldn't help them.
+ many ended up using their machines to build,
because remote / Amazon VM wasn't setup.
+ students machines, not powerful to build in linear time.
+ getting details of VM's in advance & getting trained
on these is critical.
+ vast majority of people wanted access to VM
+ monster communication problem with cloph ...
+ Robinson was briefed on how to do that (cloph)
+ Info emailed to hackfest devs (Robinson)
-> communication droppeded <-
AI: + work out how to use VM's (ssh bob at 220.127.116.11) (all hack-fest mentors)
+ assume next time that all participants need Amazon access (Kohei)
+ students are unfamiliar with the time to compile etc.
+ time to clone the repo - took significant time (Norbert)
+ great / luxury problem to have - lots of attendees (Bjoern)
+ would be nice to have some blog-posts / picture posts (Bjoern)
+ would it be better to have a chroot pre-populated ? (jmux)
+ problem not setting up the env. - but building (Bjoern)
+ containing the whole tree / ccache etc. (jmux)
+ a setup change & try things out
+ do need to get them working locally anyway (Michael)
+ can't afford the Amazon VMs indefinitely.
+ could create chroots of builds as we release (Bjoern)
+ reasons built in VirtualBox (Muthu)
+ copy that across & concentrate on hacking instead.
+ VirtualBox runs on Win / Mac too (Michael)
+ Cloph has a kick-start file for the full build env.
+ is it possible to ask releng to build those ? (Michael)
+ icecream can work in the cloud ? (Norbert)
+ not ideal in a hackfest - transferring Gb's (Moggi)
+ Toulouse Hackfest (Arnaud)
+ Confirmed for Nov. 15-16th
+ more details: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Toulouse2014
+ budget reserved (Eur 2k) - poke Bjoern.
+ Munich hack-fest (Jan-Marek):
+ jmux (IRC) can add you if you don't want to create an account
+ will have a BSP come-together; if someone says they're coming
just show up etc.
+ November 21st-23rd, 2014
+ we should drop by with 2 or 3 developers, if possible
+ Need further offers [!] ...
+ propose FOSDEM (Michael/Moggi)
+ and try to get everybody there; Kohei etc.
+ add days after it (to avoid slide overrun)
+ also the month before the release (Bjoern)
+ 31 January & 1 February 2015
+ propose Collabora / Cambridge (Michael)
+ should consider Las Palmas de Gran Canaria/University again (Bjoern)
+ Freiburg - also an option (prolly better in summer anyway (Bjoern)
* UX Update (Kendy)
+ wasn't there - but the call took place
+ also paragraph background; voted against removing b/g colour
+ general results from copy/cut/paste survey: not clear yet.
+ discuss at the next call.
+ default option of sorting / reference update (Kohei)
+ query UX there
+ can we get input there.
+ so in master / 4.4 it's just a officecfg setting (Michael)
+ same in 4.3 - 4.3 default is old-style.
+ discuss it in the next UX call (Kendy)
AI: + push the new default to libreoffice-4-2 branch ? (Andras)
+ despite the lack of a release vehicle
+ ack (Eike)
* Certification (Stephan/Bjoern/Kendy)
+ consensus approval of new certification candidates
+ happy for them all to have commit access
+ various others in the pipeline ...
+ if you want to get certified - ping Kendy, Stephan, Bjoern
+ are we encouraging people to apply for membership ? (Michael)
+ yes, routinely when we invite for certification and they're not yet members
+ reviewed all expired certifications; will renew all.
* Google Code-In (Robinson)
+ anyone want to submit an application by November 10th ?
+ sadly deadline by FF & schedule through bug-fixing (Michael)
* Bugzilla migration - discuss next time (Bjoern)
* QA (Robinson)
+ UNCONFIRMED bug count down to 645
+ big thanks to all our triagers !
+ couple of new people actively helping
+ some concerns wrt. regressions creeping up.
+ this tends to happen when we shrink unconfirmed a lot (Michael)
+ when a bug becomes verified - some will be regression (Norbert)
+ high currently, FF in 3 weeks (Michael)
* Interesting QA stats as ratios (Bjoern)
+ bugging him that Writer was leading; is it truly more regression prone ?
+ looked at stats instead as proportion of total bugs filed:
+ more popular components have more regressions
+ all ratios vs. count of confirmed bugs that are open.
These are the components with the highest relative regression ratio:
graphics stack 39%
files and storage 11%
printing and PDF 10%
So writer is not having more regressions than the rest, but likely
just a bigger userbase (or contain more functionality).
also looked at which components have the most enhancement requests:
impress remote 79%
formuala editor 33%
Also interesting are the highest unconfirmed ratios, showing
either more users than QA or a high presence of heisenbugs:
impress remote 43%
printing and PDF 23%
* QA stats:
+143 -119 (+24 overall)
many thanks to the top bug squashers:
Maxim Monastirsky 9
Adolfo Jayme 8
Jay Philips 6
Miklos Vajna 6
Jean-Baptiste Faure 4
* Open 4.4 MAB
+ 3/16 4/16 5/15 4/14 3/12 3/12 3/12 7/12 3/8 3/8 4/8 4/8 3/7 3/7 2/5
* Open 4.3 MAB
+ 16/64 15/63 16/63 16/60 17/61 16/60 14/59 15/58 12/54 13/53 14/52 14/50
18% 23% 25% 26% 27% 26% 23% 25% 22% 24% 26% 28%
* Open 4.2 MAB
+ 84/262 82/260 80/260 82/260 86/257 88/257 89/257 91/257 86/252 82/245
32% 31% 30% 31% 33% 35% 34% 35% 34% 33%
* Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibsected'
+ 170/441 161/427 153/413 154/410 147/401 143/392 143/389 146/385
* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
+ 496(+8) bugs open of 3165(+36) total
* ~Component count net *
Writer - 147 (+1)
Spreadsheet - 101 (+7)
Presentation - 34 (+4)
Crashes - 33 (+3)
Database - 28 (+0)
UI - 25 (+2)
Libreoffice - 24 (+0)
Drawing - 23 (-1)
Graphics - 22 (+0)
Borders - 19 (-2)
Filters - 18 (+0)
Print / PDF - 14 (+0)
Chart - 12 (+0)
Installation - 5 (+1)
Extensions - 5 (+0)
Linguistic - 4 (+0)
BASIC - 4 (+0)
Formula - 3 (-1)
framework - 1 (+0)
sdk - 0 (+0)
Impress Remote - 0 (+0)
+ http://bit.ly/15mM2Yn - for devs ( no NEEDINFO / UNCONFIRMED )
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