Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-05-27

[Jan Holesovsky]

* Present: Heiko, Kendy, Andreas, Jay (late)
 
* Completed Action Items:
 
* Pending Action Items:
 
    + Kendy: Create a CoreHack to modify the tree view to have a Proof-of-concept of the Accordion widget
    + Jay: Send a mail to documentation at global.libreoffice.org with the wiki page that collects changes in menus
    + Kendy: Collecting of the user information should be incremental, somewhere in the user's profile
    + Ahmed: Push the new Sifr icons he's done recently
    + Kendy: Talk to Milos wrt. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48622
    + Alex: Gnome 2.20-style 'a' icons & Gnome 3-style text line icons
    + Samuel: Formulas and Navigator should open in the sidebar, not as a special window
      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85897
        + Is that issue for the Navigator too (I dont read it from the issue)
          and in Writer the choice anycase was to allow opening separate too. (Cor, after discussion on 20150128)
            + the bug report only discusses the separate formulas sidebar in calc (Jay)
    + Kendy: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87794
         + check how the sliders in the Audio/Video toolbar are implemented to move them to sidebar
    + Kendy: Make sifr icons fall back on breeze icons as breeze is， more complete
 
* UI changes integrated the last week:
 
    + sorting table in named ranges (Bubli)
    + update tango icons (Adolfo)
    + menubar fixes (Jay)
 
* Artwork for LibreOffice 5.0 call for proposals (Stuart/Kendy)
 
    + Added the 5.0 Branding artwork call for proposals (Stuart)
      https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/5.0_Branding
 
        + results:
            + contributions from 5 people: those listed on the page + one sent by mail
            + conclusion: send a mail to the visual identity committee what should be chosen, and how to proceed
 
* UI Guidelines (Heiko)
 
    + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hSYOFoG6jnj2G0zWDbUYkrGZoj7YCSI9j3onkTZ65bU/edit
    
    + agreed menus & toolbars the last week (Heiko)
    + menus should contain everything - Eve can work with menus
        + while Benjamin prefers toolbars
 
    + Heiko will transfer the content to the wiki, and then writer a summary blogpost
        + announce on the mailing list
        + and a short blopost - about the recent changes (Heiko)
        /done
        + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/MenuBar
        + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/ToolBar
        + http://user-prompt.com/libreoffice-human-interface-guidelines-the-second-step/
 
* How autofilter should work (Mattias, Heiko)
 
    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63416
      Should it be "smart" and try to guess about header fields (and possibly sometimes fail)
      or should it be always consistent and just assume the first row is the header (as MSO does it)
    + sorting is also affected by auto filter
    + check the competitor's solutions (Jay)
      -> define test scenario first
          - what happens when autofilter buttons are placed in the middle of data rows
          - what happens when autofiltered data (some rows hidden) is sorted (using usual sorting tool)
          - what happens when you try to filter the autofilter row out (if it's treated as data, not in MSO)
    + consider to ask the community in case of more than one good solutions (Heiko)
    + mimic the bevahior of Microsoft Excel if there isn't better (Ibrahim)


    + resolved in the bug (mostly comment #29) (Heiko) conclusion in:
        + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63416#c29
 
    + comparison of office suite behavior
      https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vW1orR4ZbXHDmQDpbJVH4N2f1w_iYP6GtDLYgJ4pWSk/edit

    + comment from moggi from IRC
      "just a tip for the future (I'm not involved it in anymore): before you try to specify some
       calc behavior it might be a good idea to talk to the calc maintainers, calc has a few concepts
       that go through the whole program which might not be obvious to everyone"
 
* Icon Updates / Issues (Jay)
 
    + some icons have white instead of black on Windows (Jay)
        + bugreport: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91432
 
    + Tango (Alex/Adolfo/Jay)
        + Latest status of updates available here (Jay)
          https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OErlXIDDGM7V1mOGW8oSCLuhqw5fulT1XhkTik1u2UY/edit?usp=sharing

    + Sifr (Papamatti/Jay)
        + Latest status of updates available here (Jay)
          https://docs.google.com/document/d/15ZpVaTxg7TAFYhOyQUP3mp-cVtKA1vP5uZAT38t-taA/edit?usp=sharing
 
    + Breeze (Andreas/Jay)
        + Latest status of updates available here (Jay)
          https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dpMFgmkQy4BsyRIKH97ZLPTU6NdvXIYk3Yossj6sSQM/edit?usp=sharing
        + More icons were pushed by Andreas (Jay)
 
    + Extra-Large (32x32) Icons for large resolutions
        + Status - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mPqD2gGsMkfVCI6ByUd2XYX1NJm26hcGjRVe6gcCSEU/edit?usp=sharing
 
* Next Friday's design session (Jay)
 
    + 29th May 12pm UTC
    + Topic: Chart Sidebar     

    + List of possible future topics
      https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XiJauFHrSmM5LsaV0AlglhfUh8D1IxAg8qistP0KAQA/edit?usp=sharing