minutes of ESC call ...
Michael Meeks
michael.meeks at collabora.com
Thu Oct 29 10:42:14 PDT 2015
* Present:
+ Jan-Marek, Robinson, Christian, Sophie, Stephan, Norbert, Oliver, Jan I,
Kendy, Miklos, Michael M, Eike, Thorsten, Andras, Michael S, Bubli, Jacobo,
Muthu, Bjoern
* Completed Action Items:
* Pending Action Items:
+ please cleanup / merge mentoring page (JanI)
[ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Mentors
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/FindTheExpert ]
+ UserAgent - drop bundled-languages (Michael)
+ UserAgent - produce a patch for review (Michael)
+ reach-out to Beta Co-working guy to book pre-FOSDEM hackfest (Bjoern)
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 4.4.6 RC3
+ requests for a re-spin re:
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/19660
+ fine with a 4.4.7 instead (Eike)
AI: + add a 4.4.7 to the release-plan (Cloph)
+ 5.1.0 Alpha 1
+ out on pre-releases, and testers will be using for
bug-hunting this weekend
+ branch scheduled in week starting Nov 16th - Week 47
+ 5.0.3 - RC2 status
+ will be published on mirrors today,
+ announced alongside 4.4.6 as final next week.
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ identified some problems in the hack-fest, not fixed yet.
+ Tomaz also working on this (Michael)
* MSVC 2015 (David O., Stephan)
+ Mostly working, lots of work done.
+ after the hack-fest works - modulo this issue:
+ <https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/msvc-x86_64#Ongoing_efforts_to_support_MSVC_14.0_.28aka_VS_2015.29>
+ "address wrong MSI merge library installation location problem for C runtime"
+ can we get a tinderbox up and running ?
+ should we make this the default for 5.1 ? (Michael)
+ can re-purpose one of the Mac-mini for VS 2013 (tb) (Norbert)
+ for main-workload don't want multiple toolchains.
+ ideally move to support it properly in 5.1
+ when 5.0 is EOL - switch everything to use VS 2013.
=> plan to drop MSVC 2013 for LO 5.2 if LO 5.1 is building too.
+ when we obsolete 5.0
+ base-line of build-OS (not run-time) should be raised
to Windows 2016 at the same time (Cloph)
AI: + kind offer to setup an MSVC2015 tinderbox vs. master (Thorsten)
+ community edition ? (Jmux)
+ is that also 2015 ?
+ also available (Cloph)
+ harder to get the 2013 free version currently.
+ internally build with the pro version (Norbert)
+ good to build with the community version.
* gerrit version (Michael)
+ old gerrit / not updating it ?
+ already did an update this year; updates are stressful (Norbert)
+ some UI change - needed to be approved (Norbert)
+ checked who was using old UI (Michael)
+ not much of a problem wrt. the old change-set UI.
+ planned event - somewhere beginning of next year (Norbert)
+ the new version enables on-line editing of patches ? (Bubli)
+ are the benefits big enough ?
+ quite impressed, but every change can cause grief
+ won't change anything you see Bubli (Michael)
+ concerned server already slow enough (Miklos)
+ could make it worse ? just a concern / not measured.
+ Open to offers of people wanting to upgrade & fix it (Norbert)
+ critical tar-baby / ongoing maintenance needed.
* UX Update (Kendy)
+ call yesterday, 32x pixel breeze icons
+ have a big theme, will have another choice - extra-large
+ sorted out what should be in toolbars, sidebars, dialogs etc.
+ blog post to follow for feedback.
+ pending on infra to create design blog (cf. redmine ticket)
+ https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/1505
AI: + talk to Alex tomorrow (Cloph)
+ NotebookBar bits
+ some ideas already; but missed Samuel (getting Married)
+ either ~non-context-sensitive toolbar-like or
something more familiar.
* Documentation (Kendy)
+ new release still pending.
+ Regina did a nice demo of the xmlhelp stuff at the hackfest (Michael)
+ pending tasks: still should look at paragraph-ids & remove
from translation tools.
+ fixed the xmlhelp / icon images not themed properly (Stephan)
+ more hackfest goodness.
* Crashtest update (Caolán on vacation)
+ ? import failures, ? export failures, ??? coverity issues
+ updates next week ...
+ asan+ubsan crashtest run
* Hamburg Hackfest retrospective (Bubli)
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Hamburg2015
+ nice demo from Regina, already mentioned.
+ nice demo from David - new Gerrit UI.
+ some healthy mixture of the experienced and the newer.
+ on Sunday - one arriving from the street.
+ new bugs filed; some even fixed
+ interesting impress deployment in electronic msg. boards in schools.
+ thanks to CIB for hosting it (Michael)
+ are willing to host the next hack-fest.
+ encouraging - that CIB people & some old-hands using Windows (Bjoern)
+ discussing VS. integration etc.
+ hopefully this brings more Linux/Windows breakages to parity.
+ great to see several sympathetic Sun superheros.
+ some good mentoring done too.
+ the Cloph / VMs worked well too (Bjoern)
+ evening meet & greet - better to start earlier (Bjoern)
+ can get speakers in-place; and a topic to invite for ?
* Hackfests (Bjoern)
+ Could we join the GNOME hack-fest in Madrid ? (Bjoern)
+ booked a room.
+ if they get 5x more LibreOffice hackers - would be good.
+ 3x confirmed people: Bubli, JanI, Bjoern.
+ volunteers are invited.
+ may attend the hack-fest (Jacobo)
+ no wiki page yet Dec 2nd -> 4th planned.
+ waiting for confirmation.
+ FOSDEM / Beta Co-working (Bjoern)
+ looked at conference room costs: Eur 500/day
+ next venues / suggestions
+ incoming US venue suggestion (Bubli)
+ dave_largo - would be happy to host a hack-fest
+ they have the venue & users & connectivity.
+ do they have local developers / hackers ?
AI: + chat Dave (Robinson)
+ Belgium another candidate ...
+ perhaps again at Las Palmas (Thorsten)
* l10n Update (Sophie)
+ 5.1 translation is going on, everythign is fine.
* Developer Certification (Stephan/Bjoern/Kendy/Thorsten)
+ newly appointed: Mihai Varga, Oliver Specht, Philippe Jung
+ congratulations etc. Italo to send out certificates.
+ odd that others are easily competent enough - but nervous
of being called certified (Kendy)
+ fear of being called at night ? (Stephan)
+ [ to hire you (Michael) ]
+ perhaps best to get them to hack-fests & encourage in-person (Thorsten)
+ nudge: opt out not in ? (Michael)
+ pending 7 weeks ...
* Jenkins update (Norbert)
from:Thu Oct 22 14:49:45 2015
master linux rel jobs:187 ok:182 ko:5 fail ratio:2.67% break:5 broken duration:4.4%
master linux dbg jobs:135 ok:128 ko:5 fail ratio:3.7% break:3 broken duration:3.18%
master mac rel jobs:183 ok:179 ko:4 fail ratio:2.18% break:2 broken duration:0.62%
master mac dbg jobs:174 ok:168 ko:6 fail ratio:3.44% break:3 broken duration:1.03%
master win rel jobs:82 ok:71 ko:11 fail ratio:13.41% break:5 broken duration:13.17%
master win dbg jobs:130 ok:111 ko:19 fail ratio:14.61% break:17 broken duration:11.25%
master win64 dbg jobs:123 ok:108 ko:15 fail ratio:12.19% break:11 broken duration:12.08%
lo-4.4 mac jobs:4 ok:4 ko:0 fail ratio:0% break:0 broken duration:0%
gerrit win rel jobs:187 ok:122 ko:64 fail ratio:34.22%
gerrit lin rel jobs:199 ok:181 ko:18 fail ratio:9.04%
gerrit mac rel jobs:200 ok:173 ko:27 fail ratio:13.5%
gerrit all jobs:186 ok:115 ko:70 fail ratio:37.63%
+ not too bad this week.
+ a new linux box is now online, tb75 (aka lilith at documentfoundation.org)
+ another one -- tb76 aka maggie at documentfoundation.org) being prepared.
+ these do a full cold build in 20-25 minutes (depending on release/debug/dbgutil)
+ full hot build is in the 7-8 minutes ranges
+ incremental no-op: a couple of minutes
+ tb63 and tb64 (VM) will be decommisionned.
+ tb65(ec2) has been stopped, keeping it on stand-by as needed.
+ plan: add a job to do a 'tdf-release' build tinderbox
+ plan: configure tb76 to be able to do ubsan.
+ would love help from sberg.
+ plan to increase the diversity of load: a TB as close as possible to release (for Linux)
* Easy Hacks:
+ new easy-hacks thanks to:
+ Bubli & Bjoern
+ http://bit.ly/1KR4HWX
+ create your own by setting whiteboard to eg.
"easyHack difficultyBeginner skillCpp topicCleanup"
+ create new easy hacks from these proposed ones
(or remove the whiteboard keyword "needsDevEval" if not feasible):
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?status_whiteboard=needsDevEval
* QA update (Robinson)
+ UNCONFIRMED at 498 + 21 bugs in UX-advise
+ up slightly.
+ needAdvice at 15
+ BugHunting Session for 5.1 starts tomorrow! (Fri-Sat-Sun)
+ Specific features/improvements/bugs that need testing? Please list them here:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugHunting_Session_5.1.0.0#What_to_test
+ Most Pressing Bugs:
http://ur1.ca/nkp0t
+ tdf#94063 - EDITING References break when putting text behind them
+ tdf#91789 - UI: Crash on exit after format header
+ bibisected; bjoern?
as per comment 5 seems to be a regression from f7424ed7 from Zolnai
+ ran into a tough user-recently (Norbert)
+ would love to have an 'abandoned' status ...
+ description can't reproduce, won't share the document
+ closed -> "works for me"
+ but perhaps better to have an 'abandoned' status:
+ no value judgement etc.
+ at RedHat have "insufficient data" (Eike)
+ happy with that (Norbert)
+ sounds like 'needinfo' (Bjoern)
+ launchpad 'Expired' - auto convert after 90x days of no data (Bjoern)
+ avoid the 'works for me' - can irritate the reporter
+ not the right status (Robinson)s
+ resolved->invalid currently.
=> come up with a proposal mail for this new node in the graph (Robinson)
* Thoughts on global current frame foo ? (Michael)
+ if intention is to get rid of it - huge chunk of work (Miklos)
+ nasty hack around existing global state.
* QA stats
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
+170 -106 (+64 overall)
many thanks to the top bug squashers:
Beluga 20
Dennis Roczek 10
Maxim Monastirsky 9
Joel Madero 4
Julien Nabet 4
Christian Lohmaier 4
Markus Mohrhard 4
m.a.riosv 3
raal 3
Jean-Baptiste Faure 3
Jacques Guilleron 2
László Németh 2
Andrzej Hunt 2
Xisco Faulí 2
V Stuart Foote 2
* Highest-Priority bugs (aka "MABs"):
5.0: 12/48 - 25% +1
4.4: 10/70 - 14% +0
4.3: 6/67 - 8% +0
4.2: 11/132 - 8% -1
4.1: 4/79 - 5% +0
4.0: 11/81 - 13% +0
old: 39/246 - 15% +0
* Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibisected'
+ 341/1089 330/1074 324/1064 322/1047 324/1039 325/1029 330/1028
+ http://tdf.io/bibibugs
* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
+ stats are for two weeks ...
+ 703(+17) bugs open of 4365(+26) total 45(+0) high prio.
* ~Component count net * high severity regressions
Calc - 20 (+1)
Writer - 13 (-1)
LibreOffice - 7 (+0)
Impress - 2 (+0)
UI - 1 (+0)
filters and storage - 1 (+0)
Base - 1 (+0)
+ http://bit.ly/1HWHb3E
* ~Component count net * all regressions
Writer - 237 (+5)
Calc - 151 (+7)
Crashes - 53 (+2)
Impress - 51 (-2)
LibreOffice - 48 (+3)
UI - 43 (-2)
graphics stack - 30 (+3)
Borders - 28 (+0)
Base - 24 (+0)
Draw - 21 (+0)
filters and storage - 16 (+0)
Printing and PDF export- 11 (+0)
Chart - 10 (-1)
BASIC - 10 (+0)
Formula Editor - 5 (+0)
Extensions - 2 (+0)
framework - 2 (+0)
Linguistic - 2 (-1)
sdk - 1 (+0)
+ http://bit.ly/1BUdI8i
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