minutes of ESC call ...
Michael Meeks
michael.meeks at collabora.com
Thu Dec 8 16:56:07 UTC 2016
* Present:
+ Stephan, Sophie, Caolan, Heiko, Kendy, JanI, Thorsten
Markus, Miklos, Olivier, Michael M, Eike, Christian,
Michael S, Bjoern, Bubli, Norbert
* Completed Action Items:
+ add GDI object use count to crash reporter (Michael)
+ turn gcc -Og on for a bit and see how it goes (Michael S)
[ turned on; a few complaints – but no show-stopping concerns yet.
It can happen that variables are not displayed; and optimized out,
mostly it happens for non-live variables.
Can see in frame 17 – some var optimized out, frame 18 can be seen there.
+ very hard to see boolean variables optimized out (Markus)
+ don't care wrt. a enable-debug build, but a dbgutil build should be the best.
Not debugged calc code - perhaps it it is worse there (Michael S)
+ configure tinderboxes to use this - gives nice stack traces. ? (Michael M)
+ concern wrt. full traces currently printing variables - mangling that (Miklos)
+ would need a reproducible scenario.
+ can try to find it again in an hour-long debugging session (Markus)
=> disable when we have a concrete bug report.
+ ask Tamás Bunth how he feels about Firebird default (Lionel)
[ lots of firebird bugs appear to be being fixed - great (Michael) ]
* Pending Action Items:
+ provide information for cloph on what the large Help change is (Olivier)
+ need a diff of the kind of string change, so Cloph can write a script.
+ poke at MSDN licenses (Michael)
[ internal conversation ongoing ]
+ move gitdm-config to gerrit (Norbert)
[ not happened yet, missing Norbert ]
+ investigate https://beta.opendocumentformat.org/testsets/all/en (Xisco)
+ improve QA Stats in the ESC minutes (Xisco)
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.2.4.2 - next week, done by Jan
+ Venetian language: request to add.
+ made a gerrit change request; do we want to have it ?
+ already enabled on master & 5.3 - unlikely to break things.
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/31727/
=> just merge it.
+ 5.3.0 Beta2 & branch today, libreoffice-5-3-0 branch with rc2
+ waiting for pootle to do template updates
+ must be something wrong with VM / KVM
+ can't get that going.
+ need to have a B2 for bug-hunting at the weekend.
+ Late features:
+ separating images and icons for help modules (Olivier, Bubli)
+ still waiting for Olivier's sample string change to write the script.
+ we need to see the impact on translators.
+ misc. PDF signing / embedding bits (Miklos)
+ now completed - and all fixes back-ported
+ Android & iOS Remote (Cloph)
+ master is green now.
+ will prepare a new build based on the branch-off tag
+ online (Michael)
+ branched for -5-3 – will create source tarballs.
* Documentation (Olivier)
+ important patch from Bubli that need to go in 5.3
+ separating images and icons for help modules
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/30958/
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/30959/
=> defer and script properly for master; re-visit next week.
+ Cloph has script templates
+ but needs examples of the changes to the UI files.
+ Next: Will test screenshots make enabled by bubli
( https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Screenshots )
+ 12/8 the Getting Started Guide for 5.0 is released by the Brazilians
+ http://documentation.libreoffice.org/pt-br/portugues/guia-do-iniciante/
+ Blog post in local blogs, PR, new documentation website ready.
+ https://pt-br.blog.documentfoundation.org/
+ Community seeking more work
+ writing a spec. for BOD.
* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
256(256) (topicUI) bugs open, 494(494) (needsUXEval) needs to be evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes 1 week 1 month 3 months 12 months
added 2(-5) 16(-5) 61(-4) 489(-3)
commented 14(-40) 187(-48) 926(-61) 2793(-32)
removed 0(0) 1(0) 24(-2) 30(0)
resolved 6(-1) 17(1) 115(3) 133(5)
+ top 10 contributors:
Heiko Tietze made 40 changes in 1 month, and 515 changes in 1 year
*UNKNOWN* made 13 changes in 1 month, and 13 changes in 1 year
Samuel Mehrbrodt made 13 changes in 1 month, and 50 changes in 1 year
*UNKNOWN* made 12 changes in 1 month, and 101 changes in 1 year
Yousuf Philips made 11 changes in 1 month, and 408 changes in 1 year
*UNKNOWN* made 11 changes in 1 month, and 22 changes in 1 year
Rene Engelhard made 10 changes in 1 month, and 10 changes in 1 year
Tor Lillqvist made 8 changes in 1 month, and 9 changes in 1 year
V Stuart Foote made 5 changes in 1 month, and 193 changes in 1 year
*UNKNOWN* made 5 changes in 1 month, and 5 changes in 1 year
+ quiet days, working on color palette blog post
* Crashtest update (Caolan)
+ 2 import failure, 6 export failures
- only 1 svg import failure fixed
+ 16 coverity.
+ engaging with Google on ossfuzz
+ accepted our project.
+ need to merge in work from Caolan to make it run.
+ start with one file format to see how it goes.
* TDF / Budgeting / Brainstorming (Thorsten)
+ Idea generation:
+ Community Building feature / fix / tooling
+ Quality improvement tooling
+ Hard / dull but necessary stuff not getting done
+ Large missing features / function
+ Thoughts:
+ IDE / simpler building (JanI)
+ More CI hardware to get quicker build-times (Noel)
+ consider cloud hardware cost; scale on-demand ? (Bjoern)
+ Image handling re-work (Michael)
+ have some ideas (Thorsten)
+ patch update code (Markus)
+ allow pushing patches, lots of details to sort out
+ have a FOSDEM talk for this in the dev-room
+ talk to releng & devs there @ the hack-fest.
=> not sure it will work out as a tender; already 70% done.
+ Windows & Linux ~done; no Mac so not tested
+ post Macs to people (Michael)
+ Accessibility improvements (Bubli / Michael)
+ User Metrics - would like real user data (Heiko)
+ 32bit icon creation (Heiko)
+ HSQLDB binary format migration (Michael)
+ finishing online help -> make it actually online (Kendy)
+ finishing the XHP generating JS, sort out translations,
ensure it works off-line with searching; and finally killing help viewer.
+ ideally also online editor (that would upload patches to gerrit)
+ tender submitted for BoD (Olivier)
+ split signing from the build process (Norbert)
+ so post-build sign it.
+ 5.5 idea - re-thinking how we install language-packs (Markus)
+ if we have an auto-updater with signed MAR files.
+ could provide translated installer, and download rest during install.
+ signing is done on the whole archive with this approach.
+ Improved scripting debugging (Michael)
+ awesome like browser ... built-in XRay
+ finish the API discovery/self-documentation by Bjoern
+ SmartArt - missing feature (Michael)
+ Better integration of extensions (Heiko)
+ Design-team page of topics for GSOC (Heiko)
+ unwind EMF+/WMF disaster area (Thorsten)
+ Improve the look of the SDK (Bjoern)
+ undo hugely painful gnumake-ness etc.
+ make it much more usable, and ideally from IDEs.
+ Ideally prefer to have stuff tried in GSOC first (Thorsten)
+ only fund it if it is really not going to get done.
AI: + create & publish a wiki page for this (JanI)
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Budget2017
+ could we have a 'tips' scheme (Heiko)
+ KDE side, use pay-pal only https://www.kde.org/fundraisers/yearend2016/
+ sounds like re-inventing freedom sponsors (Bubli)
+ if this happens - do it outside the foundation to avoid issues (Norbert)
+ like barnstars but with a financial 'tip' - is the idea.
* Hackfests (Bjoern)
+ next venues / suggestions
+ 33c3 CfP open (Bjoern):
+ https://events.ccc.de/2016/09/01/call-for-participation-33rd-chaos-communication-congress-en/
+ FSFE will be there, we can meet up with them.
+ FOSDEM - confirmed dev-room (Michael)
+ 3rd Feb 2017 - board (+MC) meetings.
+ 4th/5th Feb 2017 - core FOSDEM dates
+ 6th/7th Feb 2017 - Hackfest at Beta Coworking.
+ http://www.bedfordhotelcongresscentre.com/ suggested instead of Astrid.
+ Lightning Talks on the day:
=> tell Thorsten if you have a plan.
* mentoring/easyhack update (janI)
+ openhub statistics based on analysis from 2016-11-29
1598(1598) people did in total: 443675(443675) commits in 8301307(8301307) lines of code
284(284) people did in 12 month: 15495(15495) commits
+ gerrit/git statistics:
committer... 1 week 1 month 3 months 12 months
open 35(4) 56(3) 63(3) 63(3)
reviews 503(149) 1384(146) 3626(143) 17630(170)
merged 236(-12) 850(35) 2312(125) 8678(150)
abandoned 12(0) 48(2) 142(5) 650(1)
commits 307(21) 1315(-3) 4007(144) 15568(52)
contributor... 1 week 1 month 3 months 12 months
open 20(-2) 44(2) 49(4) 49(4)
reviews 606(1) 1917(156) 4713(287) 17750(316)
merged 31(2) 122(10) 367(14) 1311(24)
abandoned 5(-3) 18(2) 51(0) 401(-15)
commits 71(15) 256(15) 881(20) 4125(27)
+ easyHack statistics:
needsDevEval 18(18) needsUXEval 4(4) cleanup_comments 192(192)
total 235(235) assigned 14(14) open 197(197)
+ received patches from 5 emails the last month without license statement
+ top 5 contributors:
Gabor Kelemen made 41 patches in 1 month, and 145 patches in 1 year
Zdenek Crhonek made 22 patches in 1 month, and 307 patches in 1 year
Bartosz Kosiorek made 16 patches in 1 month, and 27 patches in 1 year
Mark Page made 11 patches in 1 month, and 31 patches in 1 year
Lera Goncharuk made 6 patches in 1 month, and 6 patches in 1 year
+ top 5 reviewers:
jan iversen made 172 review comments in 1 month, and 1688 in 1 year
Markus Mohrhard made 134 review comments in 1 month, and 1638 in 1 year
Noel Grandin made 132 review comments in 1 month, and 1242 in 1 year
Eike Rathke made 106 review comments in 1 month, and 1292 in 1 year
Caolán McNamara made 82 review comments in 1 month, and 1407 in 1 year
+ big CONGRATULATIONS to contributors who have at least 1 merged patch, since last report:
** Removed this week, due to rework **
+ worked on gitdm licenses, we all need to be more careful when
merging and check that the author has submitted a license.
+ We need to start a discussion on the objective for mentoring
+ growing disconnect between:
+ what I see/read from contributors and
+ what experienced developers tell is missing.
+ Maybe we should have a “headhunter” instead of a “mentor”.
+ eg. a big discussion this morning: is an IDE useful for new developers.
+ is the objective - to get new people in from Universities ?
+ train to be core developers or ...
+ or do we want experinced developers from day #1
+ do we need an IDE when people can start day#1 ?
+ what JanI sees from universities.
+ surely IDE integration helps everyone (Michael)
+ experienced devs use IDE, but can also run 'make'.
+ Complete IDE integration is really hard (Norbert)
+ phenomenal problems for a complete build here (Michael)
+ core issue: can we move canonical builds away from 'make' ? (Bjoern)
+ if we get to some point like this - kill the old one ASAP.
+ a different build system needs to completely replace the old one,
+ have enough advantage to replace the old one.
+ a new person: (JanI)
+ git clone LODE - half day & full-day before you can code.
+ has nothing to do with make - but requiring cygwin & config (Bjoern)
+ and not supplying an IDE solution in our repo. (JanI)
+ want to have a solution for XYZ IDE - needs manual maintenance (Bjoern)
+ by definition not cross-platform; generated from 'make' or ... diverging duplication.
+ someone creating e.g. a Visual Studio extension that does all the cygwin/git clone/gerrit bootstrapping would be much appreciated though (Bjoern)
+ make when it runs on windows - takes 300Mb of memory (Norbert)
+ have an IDE - with sol'n with everything in it -> takes a long time to load.
+ most likely an IDE killer.
+ (also, reproducing all custom dependencies around UNO registries, l10ntools etc. will be a pain -- and a maintanance horror) (Bjoern)
+ eg. a pre-canned bundle with pre-built 'externals' and pre-canned VS file made from make (Michael)
=> come up with a good compromise proposal for next time (JanI)
* Re-organising which rules tests run under (Markus, Michael S, David)
+ unfortunately - spent last week debugging a11y (Michael S)
+ been running with the patch himself
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/31075/
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/31075/
+ an annoying problem - we have a serialization point to stop big libraries linking in parallel
+ to help small laptops.
+ with all tests depending on services.rdb
+ while large libraries are linekd one after another; v. little runs in parallel with that.
+ build takes a minute or two longer
+ prolly not an improvement - espcially for CI.
+ is there a better way ? (Michael M)
+ eg. service dependencies.
+ the 30 component files in the makefiles is the issue (Michael S)
+ make - wants to first build all objects before linking the 1st library (Michael S)
+ still have external deps hard-coded 'make -j1' eg. NSS (Norbert)
+ what's a plan ?
+ move half the tests to subsequentcheck ?
+ create macros for subsets of tests ? (Michael)
+ have for the whole module the same set of component files ? (Markus)
+ automatically take them from the module definition ?
+ in calc/impress/writer (Michael S)
+ testing embedded objects - needing other components.
+ could special-case these tests (Markus)
+ would like to parallelise linking for CI (Norbert)
+ screenshot / dependency bits failing on windows (Norbert)
+ make clean ; make screenshot - systematically fails on lpsolver.
AI: + file a bug report ? (Norbert)
=> abandon until there is something people want to merge.
* Commit Access
* Developer Certification (Stephan/Bjoern/Kendy/Thorsten)
+ sleeping 1 week.
* Jenkins / CI update (Norbert)
from:Thu Dec 1 16:22:54 2016
master linux rel jobs: 199 ok: 189 ko: 9 fail ratio: 4.52 % break: 6 broken duration: 1.95%
master linux dbg jobs: 151 ok: 130 ko: 21 fail ratio: 13.91 % break: 10 broken duration:10.07%
master mac rel jobs: 171 ok: 162 ko: 9 fail ratio: 5.26 % break: 8 broken duration: 3.19%
master mac dbg jobs: 178 ok: 161 ko: 17 fail ratio: 9.55 % break: 7 broken duration: 6.48%
master win rel jobs: 129 ok: 121 ko: 8 fail ratio: 6.20 % break: 6 broken duration: 2.65%
master win dbg jobs: 128 ok: 112 ko: 16 fail ratio: 12.50 % break: 6 broken duration: 9.18%
master win64 dbg jobs: 136 ok: 123 ko: 13 fail ratio: 9.56 % break: 5 broken duration: 6.75%
lo-5.2 mac jobs: 18 ok: 18 ko: 0 fail ratio: 0.00 % break: 0 broken duration: 0.00%
lo-5.1 mac jobs: 0 ok: 0 ko: 0 fail ratio: 0.00 % break: 0 broken duration: 0.00%
branch gerrit all jobs: 30 ok: 28 ko: 2 fail ratio: 6.67%
master gerrit lin jobs: 350 ok: 321 ko: 29 fail ratio: 8.29%
master gerrit plg jobs: 347 ok: 253 ko: 94 fail ratio:27.09%
master gerrit win jobs: 355 ok: 198 ko: 156 fail ratio:43.94%
master gerrit mac jobs: 353 ok: 280 ko: 71 fail ratio:20.11%
master gerrit all jobs: 352 ok: 155 ko: 192 fail ratio:54.55%
+ Fairly normaly; spike in Linux debug - needs investigation.
* Hardware issues (Michael)
+ Mac
+ can live without the swiss macs (Norbert)
+ how can we get them posted to people ? (Cloph)
+ taxes determined by weight, etc.
+ who has access to the data-center ?
AI: + poke Florian to encourage posting of Macs (Cloph)
+ would be useful to have a Mac - have some pending theming issues (Kendy)
+ who else needs a Mac ? ... answers on a post-card.
* l10n (Sophie)
+ LibreOffice Online pot files hasn’t been uploaded for 7 weeks
+ huge performance issues, will have an upgrade next week on Thursday.
+ hope this will solve the perf. problem.
+ translate.za - are working on this (Cloph)
+ doing some test migrations on their systems, if issues - will fix it.
+ plan is for Thur. if they can solve the performance issues, so down-time expected to be hours.
+ database needs to be migrated to the new schema (Cloph)
+ the transition to it is the thing that is slow.
* Testlink (Sophie)
+ testing this to replace MozTrap
+ it does localized test descriptions.
* QA update (Björn)
+ bragged a bit about QA response time/quota:
https://twitter.com/Sweet5hark/status/806552914307190784
+ Third Bug Hunting Session – LibreOffice 5.3.0 Beta2
* December 9 and 10, 2016 ( 2 days this time )
* https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugHuntingSession/5.3.0Beta2
+ UNCONFIRMED: 518 (-14)
+ enhancements: 44 (-3)
+ needsUXEval: 5 (+1)
+ haveBackTrace: 15 (-1)
+ needsDevAdvice: 37 (0)
+ Most Pressing Bugs: http://tdf.io/mostressingbugs
+ macOS: newly created Base files cause crash in mdworker
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104083
+ macOS: libreoffice crash on startup, VCL thread mutex condition
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103690
+ FILEOPEN: DOCX: Chart bars not imported
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103963
+ fixed: thanks to Markus.
+ 2 problems reported in the bug. Most critical one already fixed.
+ Severity and Priority lowered. Can be deleted from this list now.
+ no app-icon regression:
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103626
+ macOS: LO closed then opening any document by double-click never...
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77444
+ Mail merge regressions: http://tdf.io/mmregressions
+ 4 open; 4 open last meeting (2 OSX, 1 Linux, 1 generic but hard repro)
=> drop from the QA section from now - always four.
* QA stats
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
+178 -120 (+58 overall)
many thanks to the top bug squashers:
Buovjaga 20
Telesto 13
Aron Budea 9
Xisco Faulí 8
m.a.riosv 7
Alex Thurgood 7
V Stuart Foote 5
Caolán McNamara 5
Justin L 4
Cor Nouws 4
tommy27 3
Miklos Vajna 3
Eike Rathke 3
Heiko Tietze 3
Mark Hung 3
* Highest-Priority bugs (aka "MABs"):
5.2: 2/22 - 9%
5.1: 2/32 - 6%
5.0: 3/57 - 5%
4.4: 5/74 - 6%
4.3: 4/69 - 5%
4.2: 6/132 - 4%
4.1: 3/79 - 3%
4.0: 5/82 - 6%
old: 29/247 - 11%
+ http://bit.ly/2dp3mwC
* Bisected bugs open: keyword 'bisected'
+ more accurate - down to a single commit.
+ 305/1101 303/1087 292/1061 261/1015 261/1003 261/996 259/988 245/891
+ http://bit.ly/2dyIfDy
* Bibisected bugs open: keyword 'bibisected'
+ 381/1633 378/1618 366/1593 348/1557 350/1545 352/1538 351/1530 345/1516
+ http://bit.ly/2cSCXlS
* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
+ 732(+10) bugs open of 5494(+32) total 11(-3) high prio.
* ~Component count net * high severity regressions
LibreOffice - 3 (+0)
Base - 3 (-1)
filter / storage - 1 (+0)
Impress - 1 (+0)
Chart - 1 (+0)
Writer - 1 (-1)
Calc - 1 (-1)
+ http://bit.ly/1HWHb3E
by OS:
+ Mac - 5
+ All - 4
+ Windows - 1
+ Linux - 1
* ~Component count net * all regressions
Writer: other - 130 (+5)
Calc - 113 (-4)
Impress - 68 (+2)
Writer: docx - 59 (+0)
LibreOffice - 54 (+0)
UI - 41 (+3)
Writer: doc - 35 (+3)
graphics stack - 35 (-1)
Base - 33 (-2)
Draw - 30 (+1)
Borders - 27 (-1)
Crashes - 30 (+0)
filter / storage - 22 (+3)
Writer: filter - 20 (+0)
Chart - 16 (+0)
print / PDF export - 14 (-2)
Writer: perf - 11 (+0)
BASIC - 10 (+0)
framework - 3 (+0)
Extensions - 2 (+0)
Installation - 1 (+0)
sdk - 1 (+0)
Formula Editor - 1 (+0)
+ http://bit.ly/1BUdI8i
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