ESC meeting minutes: 2020-06-25
Miklos Vajna
vmiklos at collabora.com
Thu Jun 25 15:01:47 UTC 2020
* Present:
+ Justin, Cloph, Heiko, Stephan, Gabriel, Ilmari, Thorsten, Xisco, Miklos, Michael M, Olivier, William, Sophie
* Completed Action Items:
+ None
* Pending Action Items:
+ put together some proposal on what are the benefits of a dev list move from FDO to TDF (William)
* Release Engineering update (Cloph)
+ 7.0 status
+ UI freeze & string freeze in the first week of July
+ rc1 is due next week, string freeze but still from libreoffice-7-0
+ there will be 3 RCs (Cloph)
+ 6.4 status
+ 6.4.5 rc2 was tagged yesterday, 2 patches missed the boat
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online
* Marketing changes & late-feature work (Michael M)
+ new positioning coming
+ to protect peope who work on the project & encourage others to contribute
+ code changes proposed:
+ late change: adding phrases to the software to point out that it's supported by voluneers and it's intended for personal use / home users
+ qualified compenies could use an Enterprise branding
+ possibly a string change to make that more visible
+ support that (Thorsten)
+ BoD has consessus on this
+ push out rc1 towards the end of next week? (Miklos)
+ ok to tag on Thursday (Christian)
+ stay in close-contact, check the bits in next week & get sign-off.
+ does it align with the latest naming of "community"? (Heiko)
+ it will be probably "Personal" (Michael)
+ have branding for normal & high resolution & TDF branded version
+ on the final builds, they get this splash screen
+ in the past - changed it to Community Edition
+ change that to something.
+ need a larger "Personal" that is there for TDF too (Michael M)
+ splash is not translated, perhaps can de-couple (Thorsten)
+ even if last-minute changes over next week.
+ don't want to annoy translators.
+ same for Online
+ would affect help? (Olivier)
+ yes, but potentially doing this incrementally (Michael)
+ "Personal", would this be translated? (Xisco)
+ would not translate at the end - it's a brand (Sophie)
* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ Fixed some xhp editor issues (ohallot)
+ CSS changes (fitoshido)
+ Helpcontent2
+ Updates, fixes and new pages (ohallot, fitoshido, gelmini, Libreofficiant, G. Kelemen)
+ Please review 7.0 branch Help patches (1 reviewer)
+ Happy to help out (Sophie)
+ Google seasons of doc 2020
+ Application phase on going
+ Guides
+ Calc guide 6.4 published
+ New covers for Guides 7.x
https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/Jrjnq4eeSFPo3zW
+ New templates for chapters,
* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
243(243) (topicUI) bugs open, 265(265) (needsUXEval) needs to be evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes 1 week 1 month 3 months 12 months
added 9(3) 22(5) 47(4) 165(5)
commented 55(-19) 288(-54) 955(-30) 3517(6)
removed 0(-1) 1(0) 6(0) 46(0)
resolved 8(0) 41(-3) 131(4) 368(6)
+ top 10 contributors:
Heiko Tietze made 170 changes in 1 month, and 2064 changes in 1 year
Foote, V Stuart made 43 changes in 1 month, and 602 changes in 1 year
Telesto made 39 changes in 1 month, and 210 changes in 1 year
Dieter Praas made 35 changes in 1 month, and 527 changes in 1 year
Ilmari Lauhakangas made 30 changes in 1 month, and 155 changes in 1 year
Timur made 29 changes in 1 month, and 230 changes in 1 year
Kainz, Andreas made 29 changes in 1 month, and 459 changes in 1 year
Xisco Fauli made 27 changes in 1 month, and 577 changes in 1 year
srijan bhatia made 24 changes in 1 month, and 24 changes in 1 year
BogdanB made 23 changes in 1 month, and 83 changes in 1 year
+ New tickets with needsUXEval Jun/18-Jun/25
* 15 tickets requesting UX input
* Setting different Calc Border Styles for the same cell with the
toolbar button
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133623
+ dup of https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103770
+ border widget adds lines, request is to toggle
* Words whose characters span multiple languages should not undergo
spell checking
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131487
+ don't spell check dell'International for example
+ seeking input at the l10n ML
* Unclear option "Use printer metrics for document formatting"
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131136
+ Tools > Options > Draw > General > Compatibility >
"Use printer metrics for document formatting"
* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 0(-5) import failure, 4(-1) export failures
+ ??? coverity issues
+ Google / ossfuzz: ?? fuzzers active now
* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
+ https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.3.6.2
+ (-233) 2094 2327 1758 1376 858 668 529 283 0
+ https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.4.2.2
+ (-208) 1887 2095 2354 2731 3033 3501 3702 4322 5765 6869 6527 8046 6988 3716 0
+ https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.4.3.2
+ (-786) 2625 3411 3771 4896 6243 7540 6577 5725 4328 2199 0
+ https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.4.4.2
+ (-476) 6857 7333 5252 3670 1638 0
+ https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/signature/gdi32full.dll
+ crash signature problem is still there (mentioned last week)
+ 6.4.5 got lots of new crash fixes, should be better now
* Cleaning up Windows symbols (Cloph)
+ Is it fine to remove symbols for old Win RCs and release versions?
+ How many people are using that? bibisect repos don't use these
+ Only Timur uses them (Xisco)
+ ask on the QA mailing list?
+ but those were for daily builds
+ would not miss old TDF release symbols (Thorsten, Miklos)
* GSoC 2020 (Ilmari)
+ Projects announced: https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2020/05/05/9769/
+ June 1, 2020 - August 24, 2020: Students work on their projects
+ 6 projects accepted
+ the game is on, students are reporting more or less regularly
+ remind your students if it's not happening
+ 1st evaluation: June 29, 2020 - July 3, 2020 (next week)
+ no emergency observed so far
+ feature branch vs gerrit changes (Thorsten)
+ a combination of these works great
+ push once a day to the branch, but get the changes into master soon
* Mentoring/easyhack update
committer... 1 week 1 month 3 months 12 months
open 133(20) 198(43) 199(40) 209(39)
reviews 528(-16) 1804(132) 4216(36) 20951(-140)
merged 363(-69) 1737(19) 4893(52) 19185(-57)
abandoned 25(10) 80(-3) 274(1) 1048(9)
own commits 248(8) 1106(-5) 3682(9) 15634(-29)
review commits 110(26) 449(8) 1179(20) 4661(2)
contributor... 1 week 1 month 3 months 12 months
open 43(5) 76(3) 80(2) 82(2)
reviews 1306(20) 4990(128) 12066(316) 41204(252)
merged 37(-1) 183(-13) 376(11) 997(29)
abandoned 9(-4) 53(3) 117(4) 569(0)
own commits 66(21) 270(-3) 562(35) 1308(55)
review commits 0(0) 0(0) 0(0) 0(0)
+ easyHack statistics:
needsDevEval 8(8) needsUXEval 2(2) cleanup_comments 224(224)
total 272(272) assigned 23(23) open 230(230)
+ top 10 contributors:
Steve Fanning made 84 patches in 1 month, and 86 patches in 1 year
Johnny_M made 74 patches in 1 month, and 152 patches in 1 year
Gökay ŞATIR made 22 patches in 1 month, and 22 patches in 1 year
LibreOfficiant made 8 patches in 1 month, and 132 patches in 1 year
Ilmari Lauhakangas made 6 patches in 1 month, and 28 patches in 1 year
Aditya Sahu made 6 patches in 1 month, and 11 patches in 1 year
yakovru made 6 patches in 1 month, and 6 patches in 1 year
Attila Bakos made 4 patches in 1 month, and 17 patches in 1 year
Ahmad Ganzouri made 4 patches in 1 month, and 6 patches in 1 year
Nagy Tibor made 4 patches in 1 month, and 7 patches in 1 year
+ top 10 reviewers:
Behrens, Thorsten made 226 review comments in 1 month, and 1338 in 1 year
Olivier Hallot made 184 review comments in 1 month, and 560 in 1 year
Timar, Andras made 160 review comments in 1 month, and 1365 in 1 year
Adolfo Jayme Barrientos made 158 review comments in 1 month, and 1128 in 1 year
Ilmari Lauhakangas made 88 review comments in 1 month, and 154 in 1 year
Michael Stahl made 82 review comments in 1 month, and 1402 in 1 year
Grandin, Noel made 78 review comments in 1 month, and 1071 in 1 year
Kaganski, Mike made 76 review comments in 1 month, and 866 in 1 year
Németh, László made 70 review comments in 1 month, and 539 in 1 year
Vajngerl, Tomaž made 66 review comments in 1 month, and 268 in 1 year
+ Patches automatically abandoned:
tdf#122565: Add UItest ( Xisco Fauli )
- https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/92191
gtk3_kde5: Add support for extra listboxes in fpicker ( Alexander Volkov )
- https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/92505
- Restored (Michael W, who probably can't make it to the call today)
- gtk3_kde5 is little code, so it can live next to the kf5 backend (Thorsten)
Try to do something about Calc/ScatterXY help ( Peter Gervai )
- https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/92536
- Olivier will take a look
-Patch is empty and was abandoned by pootle bot. (olivier)
+ big CONGRATULATIONS to contributors who have at least 1 merged patch, since last report:
Martin Whitaker
yakovru
Damian Walkowski
* Commit Access
+ decision from last week (Heiko)
+ a bit early -> get back to this later
+ Yunusemre Şentürk of Collabora (Miklos)
+ would be used for Collabora branches only, but there the lack of rebasing permission is painful currently
=> no objections (all)
AI: send the welcome mail (Miklos)
AI: toggle the permission (Cloph)
* Developer Certification (Stephan/Kendy/Thorsten)
+ sleep 13 weeks
+ seeking for a new person as a replacement for Bjoern, who is currently
inactive
* Jenkins / CI update (Christian)
from:Thu Jun 18 13:37:46 2020
master linux rel jobs: 58 ok: 58 ko: 0 fail ratio: 0.00 % break: 0 broken duration: 0.00%
master linux dbg jobs: 51 ok: 48 ko: 0 fail ratio: 0.00 % break: 0 broken duration: 0.00%
master mac rel jobs: 83 ok: 83 ko: 0 fail ratio: 0.00 % break: 0 broken duration: 0.00%
master mac dbg jobs: 86 ok: 86 ko: 0 fail ratio: 0.00 % break: 0 broken duration: 0.00%
master win rel jobs: 70 ok: 70 ko: 0 fail ratio: 0.00 % break: 0 broken duration: 0.00%
master win dbg jobs: 76 ok: 76 ko: 0 fail ratio: 0.00 % break: 0 broken duration: 0.00%
master win64 dbg jobs: 74 ok: 74 ko: 0 fail ratio: 0.00 % break: 0 broken duration: 0.00%
master gerrit lin jobs: 549 ok: 430 ko: 83 fail ratio: 15.12% time for ok: mean: 21 median: 21
master gerrit plg jobs: 486 ok: 300 ko: 150 fail ratio: 30.86% time for ok: mean: 30 median: 29
master gerrit win jobs: 573 ok: 375 ko: 146 fail ratio: 25.48% time for ok: mean: 54 median: 54
master gerrit mac jobs: 549 ok: 423 ko: 78 fail ratio: 14.21% time for ok: mean: 33 median: 29
master gerrit all jobs: 493 ok: 229 ko: 204 fail ratio: 41.38% time for ok: mean: 71 median: 64
+ https://dev-www.libreoffice.org/tmp/gerrit_200625.html
+ tests that failed more than twice in last seven days:
3 error "this member function can be declared static [loplugin:staticmethods]" triggered in included file /home/tdf/lode/jenkins/workspace/lo_gerrit/Config/linux_clang_dbgutil_64/include/unotest/macros_test.hxx:52:10
3 CppunitTest_chart2_import
3 CppunitTest_sw_uwriter
3 UITest_writer_tests7
4 CppunitTest_sw_ww8export3
6 Killed by the kill-wrapper
6 CppunitTest_sd_import_tests
6 UITest_writer_tests
7 CppunitTest_sd_pdf_import_test
9 CppunitTest_sw_uiwriter
+ back to normal failure ratio
* l10n (Sophie)
+ work is ongoing
+ fixed xml syntax failing checks for all languages in master
* Graphics architecture (Thorsten)
* https://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/ESC_graphics_architecture
* skia / vulkan: try it on master (Lubos)
+ metabug: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129062
+ 3 (+2) open bugs, 74 total (+5)
* LibreOffice Conference will be Online (Sophie)
+ deadline to submit your talks: 21st July
* The zoo of http/web and crypto libraries that we ship (Thorsten)
+ context: it seems we might be getting some funding from some large US company
+ 3 proposals:
+ curl-based UCP (get rid of neon/serf)
+ more grandual security permissions
+ protected mode (similar to what the competition does when the doc comes via email / downloaded)
* macOS 11 support (Julien)
+ see <http://document-foundation-mail-archive.969070.n3.nabble.com/About-MacOs-future-with-ARM-tt4281998.html>
+ any thoughts here?
+ mostly have the bridge already (aarch64 linux bridge would be quite similar), probably (Stephan)
+ sit and wait for the moment (Thorsten, Miklos)
+ no planning needed right now
* Dev mailing list move from FDO to TDF infra (William)
+ sent a proposal to the dev list
+ did not see it (Miklos)
+ https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2020-June/085420.html
+ it was a deliberate decision back in the day to have the dev list open (Thorsten)
+ you don't have to subscribe
+ that would not work on any TDF lists
+ if the benefit is not good enough and there is a large cost, then makes sense to move
+ if you post very rarely, it's more likely that your mail ends up in the mod queue
+ don't get admin help on FDO (William)
+ perhaps the no-subscribe requirement is less important these days due to gerrit (Thorsten)
+ neutral on this move
+ multiple lists (Thorsten)
+ dev, commits, qa, design, etc.
+ what is the main pain point? (Thorsten)
+ the dev list (William)
+ moderation will be very slow, beware (Cloph)
+ doesn't scale for multiple moderators
=> talk to TDF infra and see what are the next step (all)
AI: do this (William)
ESC minutes on TDF infra (Thorsten)
+ the wiki link is outdated
AI: + will update it, the new link is in each & every agenda mail (William)
* QA update (Xisco)
+ Please help flesh out the monthly reports:
https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/2qbepFYXXan4ief
+ UNCONFIRMED: 809 (-54)
+ enhancements: 92 (-3)
+ needsUXEval: 11 (+5)
+ haveBackTrace: 1 (-1)
+ needsDevAdvice: 11 (+0)
+ documentation: 11 (-3)
+ android: 4 (+1)
+ iOS: 0 (+0)
+ Online: 12 (-2)
+ Most pressing bugs:
New:
None
Old:
+ macOS: Can't Save As after installing language pack on Catalina
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=132025
+ more info here: “Subject: Budget 2020 proposals and macOS Catalina
support / onboarding” on the dev list (Heiko)
+ Opening ODS file rise Incorrect Format exception. Opened well with
OpenOffice 4.1.3
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116079
+ regression from the fastparser gsoc work from 2016
+ Mohammed is no longer around, Julien is asking for tips
+ Text runs of RTL scripts (e.g. Arabic, Hebrew, Persian) from imported
PDF are reversed, PDFIProcessor::mirrorString not behaving
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104597
+ Thorsten looking at it
+ old problem, but many duplicates
Fixed:
+ Names of new hatch patterns in 7.0 not localizable
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134291
+ Thanks to Julien Nabet
+ New high severity bugs of the week:
+ CRASH: cutting shapes
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134227
+ Vasily?
+ FILEOPEN: SUM formulas are broken
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134234
+ Patch reverted.
* QA stats
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
+219 -7 (-173) overall)
many thanks to the top bug squashers:
Buovjaga 25
Xisco Faulí 17
Caolán McNamara 9
Heiko Tietze 9
Michael Stahl (CIB) 9
Olivier Hallot 9
QA Administrators 9
V Stuart Foote 9
Timur 7
Michael Weghorn 6
+ top 10 bugs reporters:
Telesto 41
NISZ LibreOffice Team 12
NSO LibreOffice Team 12
Xisco Faulí 11
Regina Henschel 5
Gerald Pfeifer 4
Rohit Katre 4
Buovjaga 3
mwtjunkmail 3
Jim Avera 2
+ top 10 bugs fixers:
McNamara, Caolán 8
Michael Stahl 8
Olivier Hallot 8
Adolfo Jayme Barrientos 4
Luboš Luňák 4
Bergmann, Stephan 3
Heiko Tietze 3
Lillqvist, Tor 3
Németh, László 3
Xisco Fauli 3
+ top 10 bugs confirmers:
Xisco Fauli 66
Ilmari Lauhakangas 56
BogdanB 12
Dieter Praas 10
Timur 9
*UNKNOWN* 8
Heiko Tietze 7
Telesto 7
Nabet, Julien 6
Balazs Varga 5
* Highest-Priority bugs (aka "MABs"):
+ http://bit.ly/2lJAAJI
6.0 : 1/52 - 1 % (+0)
5.4 : 0/41 - 0 % (+0)
5.3 : 0/54 - 0 % (+0)
5.2 : 0/43 - 0 % (+0)
5.1 : 1/36 - 2 % (+0)
5.0 : 0/64 - 0 % (+0)
4.4 : 0/76 - 0 % (+0)
4.3 : 2/73 - 2 % (+0)
4.2 : 1/133 - 0 % (+0)
4.1 : 3/85 - 3 % (+0)
4.0 : 4/83 - 4 % (+0)
old : 7/247 - 2 % (+0)
* Bisected bugs open: keyword 'bisected'
+ more accurate - down to a single commit.
+ http://bit.ly/2dyIfDy
+ 788/4429 788/4400 773/4356 761/4308 745/4274 737/4241 737/4219
done by:
Xisco Fauli 16
Ilmari Lauhakangas 4
barakso.attila 2
Budea, Áron 2
Raal 2
Timur 1
Kelemen, Gabor 1
Telesto 1
* Bibisected bugs open: keyword 'bibisected'
+ http://bit.ly/2cSCXlS
+ 977/5308 977/5276 956/5224 943/5169 924/5130 917/5096 915/5071
done by:
Xisco Fauli 17
Ilmari Lauhakangas 4
barakso.attila 2
Budea, Áron 2
BogdanB 2
Raal 2
Timur 1
Kelemen, Gabor 1
* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
+ 1170(+14) bugs open of 9825(+43) total 16(+6) high prio.
done by:
Xisco Fauli 14
Telesto 11
Ilmari Lauhakangas 8
BogdanB 2
MM 2
Raal 2
Budea, Áron 1
Timur 1
Madero, Joel 1
Monastirsky, Maxim 1
* ~Component count net * high severity regressions
+ http://bit.ly/1HWHb3E
Writer - 10(+6)
Calc - 4(+0)
Impress - 2(+0)
by OS:
All - 13(+6)
Linux - 1(+0)
Mac OS X - 0(+0)
Windows - 2(+0)
* ~Component count net * all regressions
+ http://bit.ly/1BUdI8i
Writer: other - 346(+12)
Calc - 220(+1)
Impress - 135(+4)
LibreOffice - 58(+1)
Writer: docx filter - 55(+1)
Crashes - 52(+5)
Borders - 43(+0)
Draw - 43(-1)
UI - 43(+2)
Writer: perf - 39(+0)
Base - 28(+0)
Writer: doc filter - 27(+0)
Writer: other filter - 27(+0)
graphics stack - 27(+0)
Printing and PDF export - 25(+0)
Chart - 23(+1)
RTL - 22(+0)
filters and storage - 21(+0)
BASIC - 13(-1)
Installation - 2(+1)
framework - 2(+0)
sdk - 2(+1)
Formula Editor - 1(+0)
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