Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2022-Mar-02

Heiko Tietze heiko.tietze at documentfoundation.org
Thu Mar 3 09:16:34 UTC 2022

Present: Hossein, Bogdan, Ruediger, Heiko
Comments: Regina, Mike, Cor, Stuart, Harald, Seth


  * Paragraph format: Inconsistent display in space between paragraphs
    for area fill
    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108600
    + margin is (per definition) _always_ transparent (Regina)
    + if the attributes of one paragraph continue on the next the margin
      will be filled
    + perhaps add a property similar to the new "BackgroundFullSize" (Mike)
    + changing the behavior could break the layout for existing documents
    + to continue attributes the border can be used instead of spacing (Heiko)
    => recommend to streamline and always use transparent (perhaps with
       an expert or compatibility option for legacy documents)

  * Allow cross-references to bookmarks to show the line number
    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146905
    + unclear use case, references to numbered paragraphs seems enough
    + never heard about references to line numbers in other
      office programs (Hossein)
    + the request is to _show_ the line number (Ruediger)
    + use case is apparently to have a link to a particular line
    + or technical documents like source code where a particular line is
      to be referenced (Bogdan)
      + but source code would be numbered code lines, which is paragraphs (Heiko)
    + lines are not numbered (the annotation is some decoration) and referencing
      is difficult; unclear whether line within a page or the document
    + still, the recommended workflow is to use numbered paragraphs
      (and keep those short) (Heiko)
    + (auto) bookmarks per macro might help (Hossein)
    => WF

  * CROSS-REFERENCE: Give warning, if you delete a target of a cross-reference
    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141747
    + Internet recommends to search for "Reference source not found"
      + update not reliable though
    + only acceptable workflow is to immediately show an infobar (or
      and other non-interrupting) message and hide it once the reference
      is back (eg. after cut/paste)
    + this might be a performance issue
    + if reference and source are far away from each other the information
      might not be helpful; you pbl. have to clean up the broken reference
      somewhere else- and jumping around in the document is unwanted (Ruediger)
    + heavy editing potentially produces a large number of warnings
    + problem when user not hides the info, or when it comes up too often
    + double-check whether competitors do show such a warning (Hossein, Bogdan)
    => decide later

  * Search and Replace
    + Regression tdf#117173 caused with this commit
      DIALOG: Improvements to the Find & Replace dialog.
      + The good: It has provided improvements to the "Find and Replace" dialog.
      + The bad: It created a regression in accessibility
      + Number of found/replaced items no longer announced by
        screen reader: NVDA, etc
      + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117173
    + Possible solutions:
      1) Exposing this text to the screen readers
      2) Going back to the popup
         + Popup is useful for announcing important information
         + It is understood by the screen readers
         + It is used in MS  Word, from Office 97 to Office 2019
         + Gerrit submission: tdf#117173 Add popup for # of items found/replaced
   => discussed, go ahead!

  * UI Indicate change tracked formatting changes in readable format
    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143922
    + what additional info needs to be shown
    + in case of formatting changes the actual attributes should be shown
      in the comment likewise done for deletions
    => do it

  * “Create Style” Dialogue Does not Work Correctly if Opened via
    Menu or Toolbar: (often/always) shows other styles than the
    'own styles', sometimes inactive when it shouldn't ..
    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126352
    + function started from sidebar/stylist creates PS, CS or LS depending
      on what tab is open and if the selection is a list;
    + the dialog lists user-defined PS/LS
    + running from the main menu creates always PS
    + has been improved by renaming to "New Style From Selection" (Cor)
    + odd behavior in some workflows (Stuart)
    + allow users to chose the stylefamily (Harald)
    + same problem, working only on PS, for new/update/edit,
      see bug 107120 (Seth)
    => no further input, just summarize
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