ESC meeting minutes: 2024-06-06
Miklos Vajna
vmiklos at collabora.com
Thu Jun 6 14:52:29 UTC 2024
* Present:
+ Cloph, Hossein, Olivier, Heiko, Ilmari, Jonathan, Michael S, Michael W, Caolan, Regina, Stephan, Thorsten, Xisco, Nonso, Eike, Miklos
* Completed Action Items:
+ MAR update: include OS info in the user agent or file a bug to do it (Cloph)
* Pending Action Items:
* Release Engineering update (Cloph)
+ 24.2: 24.2.4 is to be out today; 24.2.5 RC1 in 3 weeks
+ 24.2.2 MAR update was broken (Stephan)
+ taken down by now?
+ yes
+ will re-generate the update with the fix (Cloph)
+ 24.8:
+ feature freeze (beta1) this week, later today or tomorrow
+ beta2 in 2 weeks, if needed
+ string / UI freeze in 3 weeks
+ late features?
+ late addition to the notes page in Impress in the works (Thorsten)
+ search not working perfectly yet (would need to find & open
the notes pane in case a match is found - borderline bugfix perhaps)
* Edge Hill University (Nonso)
+ lecturer there
+ Ilmari invited to this call
+ planning an extension to a text editor, some sort of AI assistant
+ for the scholar domain
+ thought of LibreOffice, want the result to be open-source
+ would be interested in having mentoring help, if his students get stuck
+ didn't know if this would be extension vs core (Ilmari)
+ we have "AI assistant with ChatGPT" on the extension site
https://extensions.libreoffice.org/en/extensions/show/41988
+ do you need any "blessing" from TDF?
+ would like a "letter of support" from devs, to clarify the dev community is OK with this
+ looking for best-effort mentoring for now.
+ the ESC is not an official body of the foundation to sign something like this, though (Ilmari)
+ if it's to be official, that has to go to the board
+ extension vs built-in? (Miklos)
+ extension (Nonso)
+ sounds similar to deepl/lightproof (Cloph)
+ grammar checking sounds similar, not thinking it would be controversial as an extension (Caolan)
+ We have a DeepL link as possible model (Olivier)
+ re mentoring/support: normally on the developer mailing list / chat (Ilmari)
+ will this be a project for your students? (Hossein)
+ students to work with the researcher here (Nonso)
+ will also have a developer on their side
+ looking for lightweight mentors
+ dev mailing list / IRC sounds great for this (Hossein)
+ what language model would you use?
+ intend to use Meta Llama, and add custom model(s) on top of it (Nonso)
* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ CSS bug fix (buovjaga)
+ Helpcontents2
+ updates and fixes (D. Maddern, ohallot, S. Horacek)
+ Note: Help page for LET function on the way (ohallot)
+ Guides
+ work in progress
+ Bugzilla Documentation statistics
250(250) bugs open
+ Updates:
BZ changes 1 week 1 month 3 months 12 months
created 10(-7) 50(3) 113(0) 231(7)
commented 22(2) 100(11) 264(7) 891(20)
resolved 3(-7) 27(-3) 68(1) 133(2)
+ top 10 contributors:
Dione Maddern made 61 changes in 1 month, and 92 changes in 1 year
Olivier Hallot made 49 changes in 1 month, and 261 changes in 1 year
Stéphane Guillou made 22 changes in 1 month, and 252 changes in 1 year
Heiko Tietze made 15 changes in 1 month, and 85 changes in 1 year
Dieter made 13 changes in 1 month, and 18 changes in 1 year
Ilmari Lauhakangas made 12 changes in 1 month, and 81 changes in 1 year
Óvári made 10 changes in 1 month, and 13 changes in 1 year
Timur made 6 changes in 1 month, and 8 changes in 1 year
Bogdan B made 4 changes in 1 month, and 13 changes in 1 year
Vernon, Stuart Foote made 4 changes in 1 month, and 106 changes in 1 year
* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
239(239) (topicUI) bugs open, 38(38) (needsUXEval) needs to be evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes 1 week 1 month 3 months 12 months
added 5(-2) 11(-2) 16(-2) 24(-1)
commented 51(-41) 210(-16) 546(-7) 1729(-28)
removed 0(0) 0(-1) 5(0) 10(0)
resolved 11(5) 33(6) 80(0) 288(-5)
+ top 10 contributors:
Heiko Tietze made 120 changes in 1 month, and 950 changes in 1 year
Stéphane Guillou made 109 changes in 1 month, and 663 changes in 1 year
Eyal Rozenberg made 57 changes in 1 month, and 170 changes in 1 year
Vernon, Stuart Foote made 24 changes in 1 month, and 303 changes in 1 year
Dieter made 12 changes in 1 month, and 117 changes in 1 year
m.a.riosv made 12 changes in 1 month, and 49 changes in 1 year
Henschel, Regina made 11 changes in 1 month, and 37 changes in 1 year
Jérôme made 10 changes in 1 month, and 14 changes in 1 year
Ilmari Lauhakangas made 8 changes in 1 month, and 129 changes in 1 year
Ady made 7 changes in 1 month, and 117 changes in 1 year
+ [Bug 161411] UI Better wording for ASCII-only characters
+ [Bug 161395] "Whole numbers" is ambiguous
+ [Bug 161393] Allow typing a date directly into the ad-hoc field when creating
a custom date property
+ [Bug 161373] Font-family fallback list is not respected/not working
+ [Bug 161378] Improve/create visibility for font fallback lists in the UI
+ [Bug 161093] Chart Properties sidebar only accommodates 4 chart type previews,
but the Pie category now has 6
+ [Bug 161364] Search in both values & formulae
* Vertical tabpages state (Samuel/Thorsten)
+ let's have it in, re-evaluate it next week how it's going (Xisco)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161355 - Vertical tabs:
Incorrect hover feedback on non-GTK
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161351 - vertical tab dialogs--
List styles examples are not readable
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161026 - Vertical Tab dialogs--
Mouse cursor over tab not activated until pointer touches bottom edge (Win)
+ Currently a mix between vertical and horizontal tabs (Heiko)
+ still have a bit of time till the UI freeze (Xisco)
+ a mix of vertical vs horizontal don't look consistent
+ do we know how many dialogs are still to be converted?
+ probably not many with multiple tab lines
+ just looking at the bugs, looks slightly less bad to me now? (Thorsten)
+ the idea was to use those which had 2 or 3 lines only
+ are there any left?
+ e.g. character & paragraph formatting dialog in Writer is still un-converted (Heiko)
+ character is single-line (Ilmari)
+ for paragraph, there is a patch in gerrit (Xisco)
+ seeing some artifacts in generic and kf5 UI (Olivier)
+ think that's an older problem (Ilmari)
+ really need a consistent UI here, if we change (Heiko)
+ mouse hover, over the tab, looks poor, needs fixing
+ Char format is one vs two lines depending on RTL, probably (Hossein)
+ Visually similar in some UI plugins to a single line broken into two
+ More issues when you enable RTL/CTL and CJK at the same time
+ RTL is not shown, it is in the back of CJK
+ To test, enable Asian and/or CTL in Tools > Options > Languages and Locales
+ list styles is vertical from the sidebar (Regina)
+ horizontal from the toolbar, which is inconsistent
+ suggest: re-check this next week, again (Xisco)
+ still have a few weeks to just undo this last minute if needed.
* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 22(-2) import failure, 19(-1) export failures
+ 0 coverity issues
- 2 new but fixed again
+ 9 ossfuzz issues
- 7 timeouts, 1 OOM, 1 int overflow
* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
+ 7.6.6.3 7480(+632)
+ 7.6.7.2 1896(+779)
+ 24.2.0.3 19710(+544)
+ 24.2.1.2 16405(+623)
+ 24.2.2.2 13833(+1041)
+ 24.2.3.2 7710(+2497)
+ looks normal / nothing special to report
* Mentoring (Hossein)
+ New EasyHack
tdf#161195 - Allow Right-to-Left brochure printing in Draw / Impress
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161195
committer... 1 week 1 month 3 months 12 months
open 53(-41) 170(-13) 173(-10) 173(-10)
reviews 326(26) 1298(-12) 3312(-74) 12510(6)
merged 229(12) 1151(-94) 3176(-63) 12660(-33)
abandoned 18(11) 57(9) 157(-5) 668(9)
own commits 172(12) 830(-69) 2296(-32) 9276(8)
review commits 47(-5) 231(2) 761(-34) 3006(-2)
contributor... 1 week 1 month 3 months 12 months
open 33(-3) 98(-2) 98(-4) 98(-4)
reviews 634(-62) 2902(-208) 7360(-220) 29462(-98)
merged 14(-2) 76(-6) 332(-15) 1563(-12)
abandoned 3(-5) 23(-4) 96(-44) 712(2)
own commits 21(4) 98(-3) 379(-18) 1140(-1)
review commits 0(0) 0(0) 0(0) 0(0)
+ easyHack statistics:
needsDevEval 9(9) needsUXEval 1(1) cleanup_comments 329(329)
total 411(411) assigned 29(29) open 349(349)
+ top 10 contributors:
Dione Maddern made 25 patches in 1 month, and 61 patches in 1 year
Weblate made 6 patches in 1 month, and 28 patches in 1 year
LeSasse made 4 patches in 1 month, and 23 patches in 1 year
Hubert Figuière made 3 patches in 1 month, and 9 patches in 1 year
Zainab Abbasi made 3 patches in 1 month, and 4 patches in 1 year
Jakub Kościelak made 3 patches in 1 month, and 7 patches in 1 year
Srebotnjak, Martin made 2 patches in 1 month, and 17 patches in 1 year
Marco Pinto made 2 patches in 1 month, and 6 patches in 1 year
Bayram Çiçek made 2 patches in 1 month, and 3 patches in 1 year
Kurt Nordback made 2 patches in 1 month, and 25 patches in 1 year
+ top 10 reviewers:
Caolán McNamara made 154 review comments in 1 month, and 1532 in 1 year
Ilmari Lauhakangas made 102 review comments in 1 month, and 556 in 1 year
Thorsten Behrens made 82 review comments in 1 month, and 620 in 1 year
Adolfo Jayme Barrientos made 74 review comments in 1 month, and 550 in 1 year
Vajna, Miklos made 72 review comments in 1 month, and 1084 in 1 year
Michael Stahl made 66 review comments in 1 month, and 886 in 1 year
Grandin, Noel made 64 review comments in 1 month, and 712 in 1 year
Christian Lohmaier made 60 review comments in 1 month, and 380 in 1 year
Hossein made 58 review comments in 1 month, and 310 in 1 year
Heiko Tietze made 44 review comments in 1 month, and 250 in 1 year
* GSoC (Ilmari)
+ Midterm evaluations deadline 12 July
* Commit Access
+ Bayram Çiçek
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/q/owner:bayram.cicek@collabora.com
+ git shortlog --author="Bayram Çiçek" -sn => 28
+ supporting him (Heiko)
=> go ahead (all)
AI: Heiko to send the welcome mail /done
AI: Cloph to enable the commit bit
* LibreOffice Technology hackfest at Budapest (Miklos)
+ 4th & 5th June (Tue-Wed), happened earlier this week
+ 11 attendees, went ~well
+ details: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Budapest2024
+ on blog: https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2024/05/16/coming-up-libreoffice-technology-budapest-2024-hackfest/
* Developer Certification (Stephan/Miklos/László/Gabriel)
+ resting since: 7 weeks (limit: 20 weeks)
* Jenkins / CI update (Cloph)
gerrit_android_aarch64 jobs: 149 ok: 144 ko: 0 fail ratio: 0.00% mean_ok: 9 ( 10) median_ok: 7 ( 8)
gerrit_android_arm jobs: 149 ok: 142 ko: 4 fail ratio: 2.68% mean_ok: 9 ( 10) median_ok: 7 ( 7)
gerrit_android_x86 jobs: 149 ok: 144 ko: 0 fail ratio: 0.00% mean_ok: 9 ( 10) median_ok: 7 ( 7)
gerrit_android_x86_64 jobs: 149 ok: 144 ko: 1 fail ratio: 0.67% mean_ok: 9 ( 10) median_ok: 7 ( 8)
gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil jobs: 305 ok: 246 ko: 47 fail ratio: 15.41% mean_ok: 41 ( 41) median_ok: 42 ( 42)
gerrit_linux_gcc_release jobs: 356 ok: 289 ko: 48 fail ratio: 13.48% mean_ok: 16 ( 17) median_ok: 14 ( 14)
gerrit_mac jobs: 328 ok: 275 ko: 39 fail ratio: 11.89% mean_ok: 53 ( 53) median_ok: 49 ( 49)
gerrit_windows jobs: 372 ok: 230 ko: 116 fail ratio: 31.18% mean_ok: 85 (153) median_ok: 72 ( 96)
gerrit_master_ml jobs: 418 ok: 191 ko: 187 fail ratio: 44.74% mean_ok: 163 (173) median_ok: 118 (118)
gerrit_master jobs: 67 ok: 26 ko: 35 fail ratio: 52.24% mean_ok: 184 (184) median_ok: 129 (129)
gerrit_master_seq jobs: 348 ok: 166 ko: 148 fail ratio: 42.53% mean_ok: 157 (161) median_ok: 118 (118)
+ tests that failed more than twice in last seven days
3 UITest_sw_navigator gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
8 UITest_writer_tests4 gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
24 CppunitTest_sw_a11y gerrit_windows
25 aborted by jenkins job timeout gerrit_windows
+ MSVC -analyze switch disabled for CI builds (when JENKINS_HOME is set)
+ build times are now way faster on Windows, due to this (Cloph)
+ CppunitTest_sw_a11y was bad till Saturday, interestingly better since then
* What’s cooking (Miklos)
+ A11y update (Michael W)
+ improvements to Calc a11y memory usage by Patrick (tdf#158914)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155447 ("Add accessible object attributes to LO spellcheck dialog components for reliable identification by ATs")
+ RTL/CTL/CJK update (Jonathan)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161397 - Incorrect RTL fallback glyphs
+ Fixed
+ in general, think that the default fonts for various languages is far from optiomal (Hossein)
+ a wiki page documenting the current state would be ideal
+ is that font fallback vs default fonts for new documents? (Cloph)
+ already have a list for the defaults, language-specific
+ at officecfg/registry/data/org/openoffice/VCL.xcu, might do what you need (Caolan)
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Hossein/Languages is the previous effort.
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152024 - Diacritics are cut off in the last line of paragraph
+ In progress
* invitation list for LibOCon (Michael W)
+ sent link to formal ESC members by email
+ please enter your suggestions before ESC call next week
* Community Townhall Meeting (Heiko)
+ idea from BoD call on Monday
+ a bit of an "ask me anything" style
+ would be done per-project, including one for development
+ any feedback, let the board know
+ no objections from the ESC side (all)
+ had an AMA session on reddit a few years ago, it went well (Heiko)
* QA update (Xisco)
+ UNCONFIRMED: 1161 (+20)
+ enhancements: 270 (-5)
+ needsUXEval: 10 (+0)
+ haveBackTrace: 10 (+0)
+ needsDevAdvice: 45 (+0)
+ documentation: 4 (+1)
+ android: 0 (+0)
+ iOS: 0 (+0)
+ Online: 9 (+0)
+ Most pressing bugs:
New:
None
+ New high severity bugs of the week:
+ Hypertext, relative URL to local files does not work
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159768
+ not tagged as a regression
* QA stats (Stéphane)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
+111 -6 (-93) overall)
many thanks to the top bug squashers:
Stéphane Guillou (stragu) 14
QA Administrators 10
Heiko Tietze 9
Mike Kaganski 8
László Németh 4
Rafael Lima 4
Thorsten Behrens (allotropia) 4
Buovjaga 3
Hossein 3
Justin L 3
+ top 10 bugs reporters:
johnks 7
Gabor Kelemen (allotropia) 6
Mike Kaganski 4
Xisco Faulí 4
Eyal Rozenberg 3
Olivier Hallot 3
Stéphane Guillou (stragu) 3
László Németh 2
Miklos Vajna 2
Regina Henschel 2
+ top 10 bugs fixers:
Heiko Tietze 5
Kaganski, Mike 5
Németh, László 4
Thorsten Behrens (CIB) 4
Justin Luth 3
Samuel Mehrbrodt 3
Balland-Poirier, Laurent 2
Caolán McNamara 2
Grandin, Noel 2
Rafael Lima 2
+ top 10 bugs confirmers:
Stéphane Guillou 15
m.a.riosv 7
Heiko Tietze 6
Nabet, Julien 6
Alex Thurgood 5
Robert Großkopf 4
Ady 3
Ilmari Lauhakangas 3
Kaganski, Mike 3
Xisco Fauli 3
* Bisected bugs open: keyword 'bisected'
+ more accurate - down to a single commit.
+ http://bit.ly/2dyIfDy
+
done by:
Stéphane Guillou 5
Raal 4
Xisco Fauli 3
Aron Budea 1
Kaganski, Mike 1
Timur 1
* Bibisected bugs open: keyword 'bibisected'
+ http://bit.ly/2cSCXlS
+
done by:
Stéphane Guillou 6
Raal 4
Xisco Fauli 4
Aron Budea 1
Timur 1
* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
+ 1244(-7) bugs open of 13405(+15) total 24(+1) high prio.
done by:
Stéphane Guillou 4
Xisco Fauli 4
Ady 1
Eyal Rozenberg 1
Ilmari Lauhakangas 1
m.a.riosv 1
Kaganski, Mike 1
Telesto 1
Timur 1
* ~Component count net * high severity regressions
+ http://bit.ly/1HWHb3E
Writer - 14(+1)
Calc - 3(+0)
Impress - 2(+0)
LibreOffice - 2(+0)
UI - 2(+0)
by OS:
All - 17(+1)
Linux - 5(+0)
Mac OS X - 0(+0)
Windows - 2(+0)
* ~Component count net * all regressions
+ http://bit.ly/1BUdI8i
Writer: other - 429(-2)
Calc - 230(-1)
Impress - 126(+0)
LibreOffice - 52(-1)
Draw - 51(-1)
Writer: docx filter - 44(+0)
Base - 42(+0)
Crashes - 42(+1)
UI - 39(-4)
Borders - 34(-1)
Writer: perf - 34(+0)
Writer: other filter - 32(+1)
Printing and PDF export - 26(+0)
Chart - 24(+0)
RTL - 23(+0)
BASIC - 21(+0)
filters and storage - 21(+0)
Writer: doc filter - 16(+0)
graphics stack - 13(+0)
Formula Editor - 7(+0)
framework - 3(+0)
Extensions - 2(+0)
sdk - 2(+0)
Linguistic - 1(+0)
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