ESC meeting minutes: 2024-05-30

Miklos Vajna vmiklos at collabora.com
Thu May 30 14:52:24 UTC 2024


* Present:
     + Heiko, Olivier, Eike, Ilmari, Jonathan, Michael W, Regina, Stephan, sockseight, Xisco, Thorsten, Caolan, Hossein, Cloph, Stephane, Miklos

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
     + MAR update: include OS info in the user agent or file a bug to do it (Cloph)
       + patch in gerrit pending CI

* Release Engineering update (Cloph)
     + 24.2: 24.2.4 RC2 this week, to be tagged tomorrow
     + 24.8:
         + feature freeze (beta1) in 1 week
         + string / UI freeze 3 weeks after that
         + late features?
           + LET() Calc function (Thorsten)
     + Also, any idea when WASM TB will be upgraded? (Julien)
       + previously think it was a compiler failure (Cloph)
       + probably need a patch for lode.git first
       + wasn't aware of the tinderbox, doesn't send mails (Stephan)
         + can probably look at that next week
         + any reason why failure mails are not sent out? (Stephan)
           + nobody wanted to work on this (Cloph)
           + will turn it on, then (Stephan)
       + https://ci.libreoffice.org/view/tb%20platform%20status/ shows this as red as well (Miklos)
       + annoying vs useful ratio, probably useful to send mails failures for now (Thorsten)

* Documentation (Olivier)
     + Helpcontents2
        + Completion of new MS functions Help pages (ohallot)
           + XLOOKUP, RANDARRAY, SORTBY...
        + Updates and fixes (erack, S. Horacek, D. Maddern, A. Barrientos)
     + Guides
        + Work in progress.
     + Question1: Calc functions argument naming
        + Verbose? e.g. =FUNCTION (Argument one; Argument two,...)
        + Mnemonic? e.g. =FUNCTION (Arg1; Arg2;...)
        + no strong opinion (Thorsten)
        + tend to prefer the mnemonics, these have to fit into a tooltip (Eike)
        + the wizard & help pages should have the same name (Olivier)
        + prefer verbose (Heiko)
          + easier to understand that way
        + the one doing the work gets to decide (Cloph)
     + Question2: New dialog layout
        + Stability/rendering among OS's.
        + Screenshooting for documentation
        + see "Vertical tabpages state" below (Miklos)
     + Bugzilla Documentation statistics
         245(245) bugs open
     + Updates:
         BZ changes   1 week    1 month   3 months   12 months
            created     17(1)     47(3)     113(1)     224(3)
          commented     20(-17)   89(-2)    257(-19)   871(3)
           resolved     10(3)     30(3)      67(5)     131(7)
     + top 10 contributors:
           Dione Maddern made 53 changes in 1 month, and 84 changes in 1 year
           Olivier Hallot made 51 changes in 1 month, and 247 changes in 1 year
           Stéphane Guillou made 17 changes in 1 month, and 247 changes in 1 year
           Dieter made 13 changes in 1 month, and 18 changes in 1 year
           Óvári made 10 changes in 1 month, and 13 changes in 1 year
           Heiko Tietze made 7 changes in 1 month, and 77 changes in 1 year
           Kaganski, Mike made 7 changes in 1 month, and 71 changes in 1 year
           Nabet, Julien made 6 changes in 1 month, and 59 changes in 1 year
           Bogdan B made 4 changes in 1 month, and 13 changes in 1 year
           Ilmari Lauhakangas made 4 changes in 1 month, and 69 changes in 1 year

* UX Update (Heiko)
     + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
         240(240) (topicUI) bugs open, 40(40) (needsUXEval) needs to be evaluated by the UXteam
     + Updates:
         BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months
              added      7(4)     13(3)     18(4)       25(3)
          commented     92(63)   226(67)   553(41)    1757(47)
            removed      0(0)      1(-2)     5(0)       10(-1)
           resolved      6(1)     27(-1)    80(1)      293(3)
     + top 10 contributors:
           Heiko Tietze made 109 changes in 1 month, and 965 changes in 1 year
           Stéphane Guillou made 97 changes in 1 month, and 671 changes in 1 year
           Vernon, Stuart Foote made 57 changes in 1 month, and 327 changes in 1 year
           Eyal Rozenberg made 53 changes in 1 month, and 166 changes in 1 year
           Dieter made 26 changes in 1 month, and 127 changes in 1 year
           Ady made 11 changes in 1 month, and 120 changes in 1 year
           m.a.riosv made 11 changes in 1 month, and 48 changes in 1 year
           Henschel, Regina made 11 changes in 1 month, and 38 changes in 1 year
           Jérôme made 10 changes in 1 month, and 14 changes in 1 year
           Rafael Lima made 10 changes in 1 month, and 59 changes in 1 year
     + [Bug 157580] Allow notebookbar and groupedbarcompact groups sections to be
            shown/hidden based on available space instead of only their order
     + [Bug 161304] context menu Column deletion duplicates Cut shortcut
     + [Bug 160999] Find sidebar results presented with huge gratuitous spaces
     + [Bug 161276] Add booklet option to print smaller format booklet
  -> + [Bug 161032] Allow removing bundled extensions
       + dictionaries in particular
     + [Bug 161271] enhacement: support excel new excel regex formulae
     + [Bug 161255] Heuristically enable RTL-CTL and/or CJK language support
            when installing
     + [Bug 161251] Support showing combinations of named style + direct formatting
            in style list

  -> + basic HTML cell render
       + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161223
       + =IF(A1 = 1; "Lorem <b>ipsum</b> dolor";"")
         or evaluate autocorrection =IF(true; "Lorem *ipsum* dolor")
       + no support for formatting the result of a formula cell, only at a cell level (Eike)
         + not thrilled by the idea :-)

* Vertical tabpages state (Samuel/Thorsten)
   + review the state this week
   + tdf#161006, tdf#161020, tdf#161047, tdf#161049
     *Fixed with https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/168081
   + tdf#161026
     * Unclear problem, NEEDINFO
   + tdf#161030
     * Fixed with https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/168251
   + suspect these should fix ~all reported problems (Thorsten)
   + looking forward to take screenshots for documentation (Olivier)
   + let's have it in, re-evaluate it next week how it's going (Xisco)

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
     + 24(+1) import failure, 20(+2) export failures
       - https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Crashtesting
     + 0 coverity issues
     + 8 ossfuzz issues
       - 7 timeouts, 0 OOM

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
     + 7.6.6.3    6848(+798)
     + 7.6.7.2    1117(+660)
     + 24.2.0.3    19166(+555)
     + 24.2.1.2    15782(+611)
     + 24.2.2.2    12792(+1102)
     + 24.2.3.2    5213(+2237)

     + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/signature/GetUserCall(SdrObject%20const%20*)

         - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/167940 should fix it ?


* Mentoring (Hossein)
   + Reviewed submissions from newcomers
   + Finalized and published a blog post
     Porting Java tests to C++
     https://dev.blog.documentfoundation.org/2024/05/30/porting-java-tests-to-cpp/
   + Syncing odk/examples with Wiki
     + idea: Adding the commit hash + used line range to the Wiki
           committer...   1 week     1 month     3 months     12 months
                   open      94(38)     183(37)     183(36)       183(36)
                reviews     300(-62)   1310(-12)   3386(-152)   12504(18)
                 merged     217(-37)   1245(-59)   3239(-146)   12693(-25)
              abandoned       7(-3)      48(-5)     162(-13)      659(0)
            own commits     160(-17)    899(-47)   2328(-72)     9268(-5)
         review commits      52(-20)    229(-4)     795(-25)     3008(3)
         contributor...   1 week     1 month     3 months     12 months
                   open      36(0)      100(5)      102(6)        102(6)
                reviews     696(-34)   3110(-22)   7580(-246)   29560(10)
                 merged      16(-9)      82(-8)     347(-19)     1575(-14)
              abandoned       8(1)       27(-1)     140(-140)     710(6)
            own commits      17(-18)    101(-6)     397(-16)     1141(4)
         review commits       0(0)        0(0)        0(0)          0(0)
     + easyHack statistics:
        needsDevEval 9(9)   needsUXEval 1(1)   cleanup_comments 328(328)
        total 410(410)   assigned 28(28)   open 348(348)
     + top 10 contributors:
           Dione Maddern made 21 patches in 1 month, and 55 patches in 1 year
           Weblate made 5 patches in 1 month, and 27 patches in 1 year
           Jakub Kościelak made 4 patches in 1 month, and 7 patches in 1 year
           LeSasse made 4 patches in 1 month, and 23 patches in 1 year
             made 3 patches in 1 month, and 8 patches in 1 year
           Hubert Figuière made 3 patches in 1 month, and 8 patches in 1 year
           Printf Debugging made 3 patches in 1 month, and 4 patches in 1 year
           Marco Pinto made 2 patches in 1 month, and 6 patches in 1 year
           Bayram Çiçek made 2 patches in 1 month, and 3 patches in 1 year
           Kurt Nordback made 2 patches in 1 month, and 25 patches in 1 year
     + top 10 reviewers:
           Caolán McNamara made 144 review comments in 1 month, and 1512 in 1 year
           Ilmari Lauhakangas made 112 review comments in 1 month, and 570 in 1 year
           Grandin, Noel made 80 review comments in 1 month, and 716 in 1 year
           Michael Stahl made 80 review comments in 1 month, and 890 in 1 year
           Adolfo Jayme Barrientos made 78 review comments in 1 month, and 538 in 1 year
           Thorsten Behrens made 78 review comments in 1 month, and 614 in 1 year
           Hossein made 64 review comments in 1 month, and 322 in 1 year
           Vajna, Miklos made 62 review comments in 1 month, and 1084 in 1 year
           Christian Lohmaier made 48 review comments in 1 month, and 358 in 1 year
           Kaganski, Mike made 44 review comments in 1 month, and 466 in 1 year
     + Patches automatically abandoned:
         sal: initial osl::File sand-boxing commit for Unix. ( Michael Meeks )
             - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/160036

* GSoC (Ilmari)
   + Lua UNO bridge (Stephan)
     + avoid a Lua dependency for now
     + feature branch is an option (Thorsten)
     + or combine the two (feature branch + gerrit) (Stephan)

* Commit Access

* LibreOffice Technology hackfest at Budapest (Miklos)
   + 4th & 5th June (Tue-Wed), in 0,5 weeks
   + details: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Budapest2024
   + on blog: https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2024/05/16/coming-up-libreoffice-technology-budapest-2024-hackfest/

* Developer Certification (Stephan/Miklos/László/Gabriel)
   + resting since: 6 weeks (limit: 20 weeks)

* Jenkins / CI update (Cloph)
gerrit_android_aarch64     jobs: 142 ok: 131 ko:   4 fail ratio: 2.82% mean_ok:  10 ( 14) median_ok:   7 (  8)
gerrit_android_arm         jobs: 141 ok: 137 ko:   4 fail ratio: 2.84% mean_ok:   9 ( 13) median_ok:   7 (  9)
gerrit_android_x86         jobs: 142 ok: 132 ko:   5 fail ratio: 3.52% mean_ok:   9 ( 13) median_ok:   7 (  9)
gerrit_android_x86_64      jobs: 141 ok: 135 ko:   5 fail ratio: 3.55% mean_ok:  11 ( 15) median_ok:   6 (  8)
gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil jobs: 293 ok: 231 ko:  50 fail ratio: 17.06% mean_ok:  42 ( 45) median_ok:  43 ( 45)
gerrit_linux_gcc_release   jobs: 316 ok: 267 ko:  37 fail ratio: 11.71% mean_ok:  19 ( 21) median_ok:  15 ( 15)
gerrit_mac                 jobs: 368 ok: 242 ko: 112 fail ratio: 30.43% mean_ok:  54 ( 54) median_ok:  51 ( 51)
gerrit_windows             jobs: 281 ok: 180 ko:  73 fail ratio: 25.98% mean_ok: 113 (159) median_ok: 106 (122)
gerrit_master_ml           jobs: 337 ok: 167 ko: 129 fail ratio: 38.28% mean_ok: 159 (160) median_ok: 117 (118)
gerrit_master              jobs:  54 ok:  25 ko:  23 fail ratio: 42.59% mean_ok: 126 (126) median_ok:  90 ( 90)
gerrit_master_seq          jobs: 280 ok: 142 ko: 103 fail ratio: 36.79% mean_ok: 165 (165) median_ok: 122 (122)
    + tests that failed more than twice in last seven days
       3 CppunitTest_sc_vba_macro_test                gerrit_linux_gcc_release
       3 CppunitTest_sw_mailmerge                gerrit_windows
       3 CppunitTest_sw_ooxmlexport12                gerrit_linux_gcc_release
       3 CppunitTest_sw_ooxmlexport5                gerrit_linux_gcc_release
       4 CppunitTest_sw_layoutwriter2                gerrit_windows
       6 CppunitTest_vcl_gtk3_a11y                gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
      11 CppunitTest_sw_a11y                gerrit_windows
      14 aborted by jenkins job timeout                gerrit_windows
      14 UITest_writer_tests4                gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
     + CppunitTest_vcl_gtk3_a11y: increased timeout for AT-SPI method calls (Michael W)
       + https://git.libreoffice.org/core/commit/87c41bbf04c361746bf9c2373aa144a02d971303
       + seems to have helped from what I can see
     + this week: a bit rough on the Windows side (Cloph)
       + build times nearly doubled
       + is it before/after the analyzer addition on Windows? (Caolan)
       + https://ci.libreoffice.org/job/gerrit_windows/buildTimeTrend
       + not affecting all builders? not exactly sure (Cloph)
       + other Windows problem: had to take down some bots due to a timeout
     + plan to use cloud instances during peak hours for linux/clang (Cloph)

* What’s cooking (Miklos)
     + A11y update (Michael W)
         + improvements to Calc a11y memory usage by Patrick (tdf#158914)
         + improvements to editable combobox a11y (tdf#160971)
         + improvements to vertical tabpages a11y :
             + https://git.libreoffice.org/core/commit/c61f6a78022de6b29f031f3ac6726520032de187
             + https://git.libreoffice.org/core/commit/ceca4cde363154b0c7e276d65fc87ec94eb0bb9a
         + analysis for screen reader browse mode (related: tdf#137955, tdf#35652, tdf#91739, tdf#96492)
     + RTL/CTL/CJK update (Jonathan)
         + tdf#81272: Slow CJK rendering due to font fallback
             + Per layout: O(nlogn) -> O(n)
         + tdf#161145: CJK characters have extra spacing since LO 7
             + Regression causing CJK characters to overflow cells on certain docx
             + Currently investigating to compare behavior against MSO
         + results from the vcl-level text layout changes?
           + will check (Xisco)
           + what doc corpus do you use? (Miklos)
           + a subset (Xisco)
           + not sure about the size off the top of the head
     + tdf#160984 Section-based continuous endnotes in Writer (Miklos)
       + slowly done for the feature freeze

* invitation list for LibOCon (Michael W)
     + 10 slots available (for development)
     + ideally, ESC would provide a ranked list of up to 20 people to Sophie
     + how to proceed?
     + those people can be also outside the LO project (Cloph)
     + makes sense (Thorsten)
       + deadline?
       + not sure (Michael W)

* QA update (Xisco)
     + UNCONFIRMED: 1141 (-20)
         + enhancements: 275  (-2)
         + needsUXEval: 10 (-2)
         + haveBackTrace: 10 (+0)
         + needsDevAdvice: 45 (-1)
         + documentation:  3 (+0)
         + android:  0 (+0)
         + iOS:  0 (+0)
         + Online:  9 (+0)


     + Most pressing bugs:
      New:

     None


     + New high severity bugs of the week:

     None


* QA stats (Stéphane)
     + Some consolidated / updated reports:

     + (sw) same document in two windows are not independent, viewport glitches in many ways.

        * main report has 9 duplicates: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43253

        * related: shift doesn't match ruler: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116372

        * related: page view setting affects all windows: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129827

     + discussion on relevant language listing in Language menu (also related to

     libexttextcat): https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=95274

     * there is nothing wrong with it, it's just used at a wrong place (Caolan)

       * it's given a single word

       * the lib works when it's given a longer piece of text

       * perhaps the menu should not do any kind of guessing, either

       * think this would nicely with multiple paragraphs of text

     + bibisected regressions needing volunteers:

     * (sw) cursor position not restored (now 14 dupes): https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140147

     * (sw) image sticks to right margin when object to its left: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=139232

     + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
       +105  +21 (-117) overall)
       many thanks to the top bug squashers:
        Stéphane Guillou (stragu) 26
        QA Administrators       16
        Heiko Tietze            12
        Dione Maddern           6
        Buovjaga                5
        Hossein                 4
        Jonathan Clark          3
        m_a_riosv               3
        Eike Rathke             2
        Gabor Kelemen (allotropia) 2

     + top 10 bugs reporters:
        Gabor Kelemen (allotropia) 5
        Mihai Vasiliu           5
        Eyal Rozenberg          4
        Hossein                 4
        Rafael Lima             3
        Ulrich Windl            3
        gopitzohlsen@gmail.com 3
        Callegar                2
        Stéphane Guillou (stragu) 2
        johnks                  2

     + top 10 bugs fixers:
        Dione Maddern           5
        Heiko Tietze            4
        Jonathan Clark          4
        Adolfo Jayme Barrientos 2
        Bogdan B                2
        Németh, László          2
        Vajna, Miklos           2
        Weghorn, Michael        2
        Andreas Heinisch        1
        Balland-Poirier, Laurent 1

     + top 10 bugs confirmers:
        Stéphane Guillou        45
        m.a.riosv               11
        Heiko Tietze            10
        Dieter                  4
        Robert Großkopf         4
        Ady                     3
        Ilmari Lauhakangas      3
        Nabet, Julien           3
        Vernon, Stuart Foote    2
        Ahmed Hamed             1


* Bisected bugs open: keyword 'bisected'
    + more accurate - down to a single commit.
    + http://bit.ly/2dyIfDy
    +

      done by:
         Stéphane Guillou       4
         Raal                   3


* Bibisected bugs open: keyword 'bibisected'
    + http://bit.ly/2cSCXlS
    +

      done by:
         Raal                   3
         Stéphane Guillou       3


* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
    + 1251(+1) bugs open of 13390(+8) total 23(+0) high prio.

      done by:
         Robert Großkopf        2
         Stéphane Guillou       1


* ~Component   count net * high severity regressions
    + http://bit.ly/1HWHb3E
      Writer        - 13(+0)
      Calc          - 3(+0)
      Impress       - 2(+0)
      LibreOffice   - 2(+0)
      UI            - 2(+0)

    by OS:
      All           - 16(+0)
      Linux         - 5(+0)
      Mac OS X      - 0(+0)
      Windows       - 2(+0)


* ~Component   count net * all regressions
    + http://bit.ly/1BUdI8i
      Writer: other            - 431(-1)
      Calc                     - 231(-1)
      Impress                  - 126(-1)
      LibreOffice              - 53(+0)
      Draw                     - 52(+0)
      Writer: docx filter      - 44(+0)
      UI                       - 43(-1)
      Base                     - 42(+1)
      Crashes                  - 41(+0)
      Borders                  - 35(+0)
      Writer: perf             - 34(+0)
      Writer: other filter     - 31(+0)
      Printing and PDF export  - 26(+0)
      Chart                    - 24(+0)
      RTL                      - 23(+0)
      BASIC                    - 21(+0)
      filters and storage      - 21(+0)
      Writer: doc filter       - 16(+0)
      graphics stack           - 13(+0)
      Formula Editor           - 7(+0)
      framework                - 3(+0)
      Extensions               - 2(+0)
      sdk                      - 2(+0)
      Linguistic               - 1(+0)


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