<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Hi, <div>I apologize for the delay in replying.</div><div> Thank you so much for this. This opens up some horizons for our project.</div>This is a good example of how group work can improve things. To do what Jan-Marek's nearly 10 python lines do, we were making some changes to the LibreOffice core and waiting a few hours for a build. I mean, "almost group work", because Jan-Marek has done most of it, giving us a code example and pointing a link to a documentation.</div><div dir="ltr"> </div><div dir="ltr">I'm already doing some experiments using the documentation. Thank you all. Is there a possibility of TDF through developers/mentors to help us with the creation of this application? This application would be a screen reader for sign language optimized for the use of office applications (LibreOffice, mainly). </div><div dir="ltr"> </div><div dir="ltr">Is there a possibility of this being a new TDF project or a project in partnership with TDF?</div><div dir="ltr"> </div><div> </div><div>Thank you very much for your attention and again, I apologize for the delay in replying</div><div>Best regards,</div><div> </div><div>Miguel. </div><div> </div><div> </div> <div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Em qua., 18 de mar. de 2020 às 06:18, Ilmari Lauhakangas <<a href="mailto:ilmari.lauhakangas@libreoffice.org" target="_blank">ilmari.lauhakangas@libreoffice.org</a>> escreveu: </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I will include a message from Jan-Marek, who is unable to use mail currently. He wants to point out that tooltips can be accessed via accessibility APIs at least on Linux. Ilmari Jan-Marek says: It took me about 15m to write a python at spi program, which will react to tooltip events on Linux: #!/usr/bin/python3 import pyatspi def f(e): if not e.source or e.source.getRole() != pyatspi.ROLE_TOOL_TIP: return # e.detail1 = 1: show / = 0: hide print(e) pyatspi.Registry.registerEventListener(f, "object:state-changed:visible") pyatspi.Registry.start() Just install the python3-pyatspi package of your preferred distro and start the little program. This is obviously just a very minimal POC, but it can be easily extended to just filter events from LO. If I read <a href="https://wiki.gnome.org/Accessibility/Documentation/GNOME2/AtkGuide/MSAA" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.gnome.org/Accessibility/Documentation/GNOME2/AtkGuide/MSAA</a> correctly, MSAA also has show events for tooltips. Miguel Teixeira kirjoitti 17.3.2020 klo 18.26: > > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > De: *Miguel Teixeira* <<a href="mailto:miguel.teixeira@poli.ufrj.br" target="_blank">miguel.teixeira@poli.ufrj.br</a> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:miguel.teixeira@poli.ufrj.br" target="_blank">miguel.teixeira@poli.ufrj.br</a>>> > Date: seg., 16 de mar. de 2020 às 10:59 > Subject: Re: LIBRASOffice - Vídeo - Solve MIT 2019 > To: Olivier Hallot <<a href="mailto:olivier.hallot@libreoffice.org" target="_blank">olivier.hallot@libreoffice.org</a> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:olivier.hallot@libreoffice.org" target="_blank">olivier.hallot@libreoffice.org</a>>> > Cc: Ilmari Lauhakangas <<a href="mailto:ilmari.lauhakangas@libreoffice.org" target="_blank">ilmari.lauhakangas@libreoffice.org</a> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:ilmari.lauhakangas@libreoffice.org" target="_blank">ilmari.lauhakangas@libreoffice.org</a>>>, Daniel Silva > <<a href="mailto:daniel.lipe@poli.ufrj.br" target="_blank">daniel.lipe@poli.ufrj.br</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:daniel.lipe@poli.ufrj.br" target="_blank">daniel.lipe@poli.ufrj.br</a>>>, Lidiana > Souza dos Anjos <<a href="mailto:lidianasouza@poli.ufrj.br" target="_blank">lidianasouza@poli.ufrj.br</a> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:lidianasouza@poli.ufrj.br" target="_blank">lidianasouza@poli.ufrj.br</a>>>, Fernando GonÃ§alves Severo > <<a href="mailto:severo@cos.ufrj.br" target="_blank">severo@cos.ufrj.br</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:severo@cos.ufrj.br" target="_blank">severo@cos.ufrj.br</a>>>, Henrique Luiz > Cukierman <<a href="mailto:hcukier@cos.ufrj.br" target="_blank">hcukier@cos.ufrj.br</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:hcukier@cos.ufrj.br" target="_blank">hcukier@cos.ufrj.br</a>>>, Pedro > Braga <<a href="mailto:pedrohcbufrj@gmail.com" target="_blank">pedrohcbufrj@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pedrohcbufrj@gmail.com" target="_blank">pedrohcbufrj@gmail.com</a>>> > > > Hi, > > * > * > > I apologize forthe delay in answering. > > Current assistive technologies favor better accessibility for the blind > people. There is no such thing as a "Braille language" or "Braille > culture". A blind person does not need to communicate through a > "different language" or adapt to a new language that depends directly on > a sense that he does not have and a diferent culture. Before they learn > to write, children, in general, learn to speak. For example, a blind > person can learn to speak a language just as children learn by listening > to other people speak. A deaf person often learns to communicate through > a language only after older ages (for example, many deaf people in > Brazil only learn LIBRAS after the age of 18). In the case of deaf > people, there is a different language and culture. A simple literal > translation of textual elements of the interface may not be such an > interesting idea (but in some cases it can be useful). Here, there is an > issue where, a simple adaptation of something that already exists (like > the current accessibility APIs) can serve as a "quick fix", but that > does not mean that it is the best option. > > * > * > > I attached a PDF file talking a little more about this subject. > > * > * > > * > * > > Best regards, > > > Miguel. > > > Em sex., 13 de mar. de 2020 às 12:54, Olivier Hallot > <<a href="mailto:olivier.hallot@libreoffice.org" target="_blank">olivier.hallot@libreoffice.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:olivier.hallot@libreoffice.org" target="_blank">olivier.hallot@libreoffice.org</a>>> > escreveu: > > Olá Miguel > > It is fundamental to clarify why the current assistive technologies are > unable to address the issue of the deafs. It has been asked in IRC and > the response has not been seen. The project will be analyzed by > knowledgeable people. > > Ilmari is in copy, please switch to English and keep Ilmarin the loop. > Professor Henrique Cukierman should also be in the loop. > > Kind regards > > Olivier > > Em 12/03/2020 16:27, Miguel Teixeira escreveu: > > Olá Olivier, > > > > Estamos animados com a sua mensagem. Vamos preparar um dossier para > > financiamento do LIBRASOffice assim como fizemos para o MIT. > > Vamos aproveitar boa parte do que fizemos para o MIT, mas mesmo > assim, > > não conseguiremos te entregar até o dia de hoje ou amanhã. Dou > previsão > > para entrega do dossier até a próxima quarta-feira, mas pode ser > que já > > esteja pronto, por exemplo, no próximo domingo. Existe algum > problema em > > entregarmos na próxima quarta-feira? > > > > Cordialmente, > > Miguel Teixeira. > > > > > > Em qui., 12 de mar. de 2020 às 07:00, Olivier Hallot > > <<a href="mailto:olivier.hallot@libreoffice.org" target="_blank">olivier.hallot@libreoffice.org</a> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:olivier.hallot@libreoffice.org" target="_blank">olivier.hallot@libreoffice.org</a>> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:olivier.hallot@libreoffice.org" target="_blank">olivier.hallot@libreoffice.org</a> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:olivier.hallot@libreoffice.org" target="_blank">olivier.hallot@libreoffice.org</a>>>> > > escreveu: > > > > Olá Miguel > > > > Vocês tem condições de preparar um dossier para financiamento do > > LibrasOffice, assim como fizeram para o MIT? Trocaria MIT > por TDF (The > > Document Foundation). > > > > Creio que pode haver um caminho de financiamento a ser > explorado, e a > > experiencia do MIT pode ajudar a convencer. > > > > Será importante ter um cronograma de entregas, e programa de > desembolso, > > tamanho de equipe, bolsas e tudo mais. Vejo um horizonte de > seis meses > > de atividades para duas pessoas. > > > > OK? > > Olivier > > > > > > > > > > Em 11/03/2020 20:43, Miguel Teixeira escreveu: > > > Olá Olivier, > > > > > > Segue o link do vídeo usado no Solve MIT - 2019 > > > > > > <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVAWjRV0dTw" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVAWjRV0dTw</a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Olivier Hallot > > LibreOffice Documentation Coordinator > > Comunidade LibreOffice > > Rio de Janeiro - Brasil - Local Time: UTC-03:00 > > <a href="http://tdf.io/joinus" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tdf.io/joinus</a> > > > > -- > Olivier Hallot > LibreOffice Documentation Coordinator > Comunidade LibreOffice > Rio de Janeiro - Brasil - Local Time: UTC-03:00 > <a href="http://tdf.io/joinus" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://tdf.io/joinus</a> > > > _______________________________________________ > LibreOffice mailing list > <a href="mailto:LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org" target="_blank">LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org</a> > <a href="https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice</a> > _______________________________________________ LibreOffice mailing list <a href="mailto:LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org" target="_blank">LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org</a> <a href="https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice</a> </blockquote></div></div></div>