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<p>I'm rather 'out of the loop'. The DEV/ESC department is bit of
black-box for me. <br>
The minutes don't contain much background/ 'in depth' information
about content of the discussion.<br>
And the minutes are open for interpretation. Something like: <br>
+ Enable skia by default on master and Windows, replacing GL
(Lubos)<br>
Could also mean temporarily, only on master. Depending on the
intention<br>
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<p>Anyhow this was more or less a follow up of bug <span
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* Julien had some concerns about setting SKIA default; maybe
misread it..<br>
* And I suggested to move OpenGL and GDI rendering to Expert
configuration<br>
Also follow by 'enthusiasm' and objections</span></p>
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a time-table for moving GDI/OpenGL to Expert configuration?<br>
Actively testing and supporting multiple backends is quite some
work DEV as QA level.<br>
Is this a Skia bug. Raster or Vulkan, or both. Also in OpenGL?
Also in GDI? With or without Hardware acceleration..<br>
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!important; float: none;">Bug 132323 comment 6 suggested that
those settings Options -> View where an UI issue.<br>
However, being able to configure the backend at a common place
is suggests these are actively supported, IMHO<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Telesto<br>
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+0200, Telesto <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:telesto@surfxs.nl"><telesto@surfxs.nl></a> wrote:</span><br
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for ESC team. There needs be some kind of</span><br
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minutes, sent out to this very list</span><br
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background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-style:
initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline
!important; float: none;">each week? Skia is on the table each
week.</span><br style="-webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased;
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"Segoe UI Web (West European)", "Segoe UI",
-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, "Helvetica
Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 14.6667px; font-style:
normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps:
normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2;
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255); text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color:
initial;">
<br style="-webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; color: rgb(32, 31,
30); font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe UI Web (West
European)", "Segoe UI", -apple-system,
BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, "Helvetica Neue",
sans-serif; font-size: 14.6667px; font-style: normal;
font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal;
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2;
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255); text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color:
initial;">
<span style="color: rgb(32, 31, 30); font-family: "Segoe
UI", "Segoe UI Web (West European)", "Segoe
UI", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto,
"Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 14.6667px;
font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing:
normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2;
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-style:
initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline
!important; float: none;">> ?* Skia the default for 7.0
release on Windows?</span><br style="-webkit-font-smoothing:
antialiased; color: rgb(32, 31, 30); font-family: "Segoe
UI", "Segoe UI Web (West European)", "Segoe
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font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing:
normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2;
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initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">
<br style="-webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; color: rgb(32, 31,
30); font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe UI Web (West
European)", "Segoe UI", -apple-system,
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sans-serif; font-size: 14.6667px; font-style: normal;
font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal;
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2;
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255); text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color:
initial;">
<span style="color: rgb(32, 31, 30); font-family: "Segoe
UI", "Segoe UI Web (West European)", "Segoe
UI", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto,
"Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 14.6667px;
font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing:
normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2;
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-style:
initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline
!important; float: none;">This was already discussed at great
length, Skia is currently on by</span><br
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<span style="color: rgb(32, 31, 30); font-family: "Segoe
UI", "Segoe UI Web (West European)", "Segoe
UI", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto,
"Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 14.6667px;
font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing:
normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2;
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-style:
initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline
!important; float: none;">default on Windows on master (towards
7.0).</span><br style="-webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased;
color: rgb(32, 31, 30); font-family: "Segoe UI",
"Segoe UI Web (West European)", "Segoe UI",
-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, "Helvetica
Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 14.6667px; font-style:
normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps:
normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2;
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
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255); text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color:
initial;">
<br style="-webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased; color: rgb(32, 31,
30); font-family: "Segoe UI", "Segoe UI Web (West
European)", "Segoe UI", -apple-system,
BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, "Helvetica Neue",
sans-serif; font-size: 14.6667px; font-style: normal;
font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal;
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2;
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
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-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255); text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color:
initial;">
<span style="color: rgb(32, 31, 30); font-family: "Segoe
UI", "Segoe UI Web (West European)", "Segoe
UI", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto,
"Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 14.6667px;
font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing:
normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2;
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-style:
initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline
!important; float: none;">Is there some kind of conflict that
the ESC has to resolve here? I'm not</span><br
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<span style="color: rgb(32, 31, 30); font-family: "Segoe
UI", "Segoe UI Web (West European)", "Segoe
UI", -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto,
"Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 14.6667px;
font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing:
normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2;
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-style:
initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline
!important; float: none;">sure I understand the problem you try
to solve.</span><br style="-webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased;
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<span style="color: rgb(32, 31, 30); font-family: "Segoe
UI", "Segoe UI Web (West European)", "Segoe
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font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing:
normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2;
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-style:
initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline
!important; float: none;">Regards,</span><br
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sans-serif; font-size: 14.6667px; font-style: normal;
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<span style="color: rgb(32, 31, 30); font-family: "Segoe
UI", "Segoe UI Web (West European)", "Segoe
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"Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-size: 14.6667px;
font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing:
normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2;
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initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline
!important; float: none;">Miklos</span></p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Op 23-4-2020 om 21:16 schreef Telesto:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:ae82a8ef-f615-71f2-a201-7e7d92d455b3@surfxs.nl">Hi all,
<br>
<br>
Skia should be topic/ agenda item for ESC team. There needs be
some kind of roadmap/ timeline/ vision:
<br>
<br>
* Skia the default for 7.0 release on Windows?
<br>
<br>
* What about the future GDI (incl. Hardware Acceleration)/OpenGL
Windows backend? Should those be phased out? If so, what's the
intended time-table at this point in time:
<br>
<br>
- Active support of the other backend (bug fixing)
<br>
<br>
- Passively supporting the other backends; so being available?
<br>
** When do we move the setting to Expert configuration
<br>
** When should the old code be removed
<br>
<br>
* What is future of Skia for Linux/Mac? What does this mean for
other backends? Cairo/ X11...
<br>
- A number of the base QA members use Linux. Is there backend
comparable to Skia available; using 'the same' code path?
<br>
<br>
* QA concerns (based on: bug 132323)
<br>
- Firebird experience: flood of bugs after removing from
experimental
<br>
<br>
- Harfbuzz experience: quite a number number of performances
issues at the beginning
<br>
<br>
- One developer for Skia/ Single point of failure?
<br>
<br>
<br>
Personal vision:
<br>
<br>
* Active support for multiple backends are hard to maintain at QA
and DEV level, so less is more. Backend options should be
'invisible' as fast as reasonable possible. Only objection:
different backends have different code paths; can be an
alternative. Example: Skia XOR issue (affecting Raster &
Vulkan); without GDI no way out.
<br>
<br>
* Skia looks promising; not seeing major problems. They should be
rather obvious to see. Everybody uses the UI. So no Firebird
experience
<br>
<br>
* Passive support should not be GUI advertised for to long. Bugs
tend to sneak in, while everybody else is using the default. So
settings for backends should move Expert configuration pretty
fast. It should be decided at ESC level; it's not UI-only issue.
It's also affecting QA & DEV
<br>
<br>
* Removing code. Should be hold off for a while. Second next major
release. The old layout engine was removed a little to soon for my
taste. Can be useful as fall-back.
<br>
<br>
* Prevent a dependence on a single developer; there needs to be a
'backup' developer who wants to step in, if needed. What about
documentation?
<br>
<br>
* Developer available to squash the initial bunch of Skia related
bugs after release (to assure the QA department) . So everything
is 'back to normal' at 7.0.2 . If Skia contains bugs at 7.0 so be
it. LibreOffice fresh can contain bugs. Firebird lacked a
'testerbase' while under development and support afterwards didn't
win awards either.
<br>
<br>
* OpenGL. Drop active support with 7.0. Moving to expert
configuration with LibreOffice 7.1. Code removal at 7.3.
Deprecation should be mentioned in the Release Notes
<br>
<br>
* GDI: Active support dropped at 7.2. Passive support until 7.4.
Moving to expert configuration at 8.0. Mention this roadmap in the
Release Notes
<br>
<br>
Regards,
<br>
Telesto
<br>
<br>
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