<div dir="ltr"><div><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb">I am talking about collaboration in the sense of mutual support.</span></span></span></div><div><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><br></span></span></span></div><div><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb">> </span></span></span>I don't see what the value is in highlighting this mishap and it's unfair </div><div>> to basically shame people about a backporting omission that happened two <br>> years ago.<span class="gmail-im"><br></span></div><div><span class="gmail-im"><br></span></div><div><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb">I'm not accusing anyone, I'm reporting the facts, and I've never complained about having to wait six months for these new features.</span></span> <span class="gmail-jCAhz"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb">An oversight can happen to anyone...</span></span></span></div><div><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><br></span></span></span></div><div><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb">> </span></span></span>What I see as unhealthy is your comments to a code reviewer in patch 181159 after a security <br>> vulnerability was noticed...</div><div><br></div><div><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb">This is a very abbreviated reading of patch 181159, because unfortunately my fix required implementation in a dead portion of LibreOffice code.</span></span> <span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb">I spent a lot of time detecting it and was unable to make my reviewers understand it.</span></span> <span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb">Curiously, this was never acknowledged but was subsequently corrected. See:</span></span></span></div><div><pre class="gmail-bz_comment_text" id="gmail-comment_text_9">- <a href="https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/183268">Avoid exception when reading nil NetAccess value</a><br>- <a href="https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/183269">configmgr: Let XRegistryKey::getLongValue return boolean values, too</a></pre></div><div><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb">This time, we can attribute this not to an oversight but rather to a misunderstanding. </span></span></span><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb">In any case, in the end I found myself all alone and really felt like I had wasted my time. </span></span></span><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb">So yes, I may have gotten a little carried away, and I apologize to the person concerned and apparently they don't hold it against me and I thank them for that. </span></span></span>:-)</div><div><br></div><div><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb">I also want to clarify that I have never insulted a reviewer.</span></span></span></div><div><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><br></span></span></span></div><div><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb">So far, I'm willing to believe it was just bad luck (an oversight, a misunderstanding) that prevented me from being very efficient in publishing my improvements </span></span></span><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb">and you from giving me the support I was hoping for.</span></span></span></div><div><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb">Because as far as I'm concerned I can't do better, I'm already at full capacity.</span></span></span></div><div><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb">By the way, if you really want to collaborate, please backport Java instrumentation support to LibreOffice 25.2. </span></span></span><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb">I'm really the only user of it.</span></span></span><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"> see: <a href="https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=167071">TDF#167071</a>.</span></span></span></div><div><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><br></span></span></span></div><div><span class="gmail-HwtZe" lang="en"><span class="gmail-jCAhz gmail-ChMk0b"><span class="gmail-ryNqvb"><br></span></span></span></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mer. 18 juin 2025 à 15:40, Noel Grandin <<a href="mailto:noelgrandin@gmail.com">noelgrandin@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Hi</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">I'm sorry you found it hard. LibreOffice is a pretty tough place to get significant changes deployed.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">But don't give up, you're doing great! You already managed to land two patches in pretty tricky areas, places most people fear to tread :-)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">> <span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">I'm asking you for exactly the same thing: please give me a little space... and give me a mentor...</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Sure, we're happy to help. But some times, there are bigger things at play. Release cycles are longer and tougher for a project this size.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Alas, a lot of your hacking is in places that have very (or none) people that can help.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">And this is a volunteer organisation, there is no large company behind it that can "allocate anyone" to you. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">But if you hang out on IRC, people are generally wlling to answer any questions (assuming someone is around who knows the answer, that is not always the case in a project this size).</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Hope this helps, and keep up the good work.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div></div>
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