[Mesa-dev] glxgears is faster but 3D render is so slow
jupiter
jupiter.hce at gmail.com
Thu Mar 7 15:55:54 PST 2013
Hi Brian,
I finally built Mesa with configuration "--enable-xlib-glx
--disable-dri --enable-gallium-llvm --with-llvm-shared-libs", with
dependencies of llvm and drm. It does not work either, please see
following glxinfo. Please let me know if my configuration is not
correct, or if there are any other ways I can try to make it work.
$ glxinfo
name of display: :0.0
display: :0 screen: 0
direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: Brian Paul
server glx version string: 1.4 Mesa 9.1-devel
server glx extensions:
GLX_MESA_copy_sub_buffer, GLX_MESA_pixmap_colormap,
GLX_MESA_release_buffers, GLX_ARB_get_proc_address,
GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap, GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating,
GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_pbuffer
client glx vendor string: Brian Paul
client glx version string: 1.4 Mesa 9.1-devel
client glx extensions:
GLX_MESA_copy_sub_buffer, GLX_MESA_pixmap_colormap,
GLX_MESA_release_buffers, GLX_ARB_get_proc_address,
GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap, GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating,
GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_pbuffer
GLX version: 1.4
GLX extensions:
GLX_MESA_copy_sub_buffer, GLX_MESA_pixmap_colormap,
GLX_MESA_release_buffers, GLX_ARB_get_proc_address,
GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap, GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating,
GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_pbuffer
OpenGL vendor string: Brian Paul
OpenGL renderer string: Mesa X11
OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 9.1-devel
OpenGL shading language version string: 1.20
OpenGL extensions:
GL_ARB_multisample, GL_EXT_abgr, GL_EXT_bgra, GL_EXT_blend_color,
GL_EXT_blend_minmax, GL_EXT_blend_subtract, GL_EXT_copy_texture,
GL_EXT_polygon_offset, GL_EXT_subtexture, GL_EXT_texture_object,
GL_EXT_vertex_array, GL_EXT_compiled_vertex_array, GL_EXT_texture,
GL_EXT_texture3D, GL_IBM_rasterpos_clip, GL_ARB_point_parameters,
GL_EXT_draw_range_elements, GL_EXT_packed_pixels, GL_EXT_point_parameters,
GL_EXT_rescale_normal, GL_EXT_separate_specular_color,
GL_EXT_texture_edge_clamp, GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap,
GL_SGIS_texture_border_clamp, GL_SGIS_texture_edge_clamp,
GL_SGIS_texture_lod, GL_ARB_multitexture, GL_IBM_multimode_draw_arrays,
GL_IBM_texture_mirrored_repeat, GL_3DFX_texture_compression_FXT1,
GL_ARB_texture_cube_map, GL_ARB_texture_env_add, GL_ARB_transpose_matrix,
GL_EXT_blend_func_separate, GL_EXT_fog_coord, GL_EXT_multi_draw_arrays,
GL_EXT_secondary_color, GL_EXT_texture_env_add,
GL_EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic, GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias,
GL_INGR_blend_func_separate, GL_MESA_resize_buffers, GL_NV_blend_square,
GL_NV_light_max_exponent, GL_NV_texgen_reflection,
GL_NV_texture_env_combine4, GL_SUN_multi_draw_arrays,
GL_ARB_texture_border_clamp, GL_ARB_texture_compression,
GL_EXT_framebuffer_object, GL_EXT_texture_env_combine,
GL_EXT_texture_env_dot3, GL_MESA_window_pos, GL_NV_packed_depth_stencil,
GL_NV_texture_rectangle, GL_ARB_depth_texture, GL_ARB_occlusion_query,
GL_ARB_shadow, GL_ARB_texture_env_combine, GL_ARB_texture_env_crossbar,
GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3, GL_ARB_texture_mirrored_repeat,
GL_ARB_window_pos, GL_ATI_envmap_bumpmap, GL_ATI_fragment_shader,
GL_EXT_stencil_two_side, GL_EXT_texture_cube_map, GL_NV_depth_clamp,
GL_NV_point_sprite, GL_APPLE_packed_pixels, GL_APPLE_vertex_array_object,
GL_ARB_draw_buffers, GL_ARB_fragment_program, GL_ARB_fragment_shader,
GL_ARB_shader_objects, GL_ARB_vertex_program, GL_ARB_vertex_shader,
GL_ATI_draw_buffers, GL_ATI_texture_env_combine3,
GL_EXT_depth_bounds_test, GL_EXT_shadow_funcs, GL_EXT_stencil_wrap,
GL_MESA_pack_invert, GL_MESA_ycbcr_texture, GL_ARB_depth_clamp,
GL_ARB_fragment_program_shadow, GL_ARB_half_float_pixel,
GL_ARB_occlusion_query2, GL_ARB_point_sprite, GL_ARB_shading_language_100,
GL_ARB_sync, GL_ARB_texture_non_power_of_two, GL_ARB_vertex_buffer_object,
GL_ATI_blend_equation_separate, GL_EXT_blend_equation_separate,
GL_OES_read_format, GL_ARB_pixel_buffer_object,
GL_ARB_texture_compression_rgtc, GL_ARB_texture_rectangle,
GL_ATI_texture_compression_3dc, GL_EXT_pixel_buffer_object,
GL_EXT_texture_compression_rgtc, GL_EXT_texture_mirror_clamp,
GL_EXT_texture_rectangle, GL_EXT_texture_sRGB,
GL_EXT_texture_shared_exponent, GL_ARB_framebuffer_object,
GL_EXT_framebuffer_blit, GL_EXT_framebuffer_multisample,
GL_EXT_packed_depth_stencil, GL_NV_fragment_program_option,
GL_APPLE_object_purgeable, GL_ARB_vertex_array_object,
GL_ATI_separate_stencil, GL_ATI_texture_mirror_once, GL_EXT_draw_buffers2,
GL_EXT_draw_instanced, GL_EXT_gpu_program_parameters,
GL_EXT_texture_array, GL_EXT_texture_compression_latc,
GL_EXT_texture_sRGB_decode, GL_EXT_timer_query, GL_MESA_texture_array,
GL_ARB_copy_buffer, GL_ARB_draw_instanced, GL_ARB_half_float_vertex,
GL_ARB_map_buffer_range, GL_ARB_texture_rg, GL_ARB_texture_swizzle,
GL_ARB_vertex_array_bgra, GL_EXT_separate_shader_objects,
GL_EXT_texture_swizzle, GL_EXT_vertex_array_bgra,
GL_NV_conditional_render, GL_ARB_debug_output,
GL_ARB_draw_elements_base_vertex, GL_ARB_explicit_attrib_location,
GL_ARB_fragment_coord_conventions, GL_ARB_provoking_vertex,
GL_ARB_sampler_objects, GL_EXT_provoking_vertex,
GL_ARB_get_program_binary, GL_ARB_robustness, GL_ARB_texture_storage,
GL_ARB_invalidate_subdata
32 GLX Visuals
visual x bf lv rg d st colorbuffer ax dp st accumbuffer ms cav
id dep cl sp sz l ci b ro r g b a bf th cl r g b a ns b eat
----------------------------------------------------------------------
0x21 24 tc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
0x22 24 dc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
0x93 24 tc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
0x94 24 tc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
0x95 24 tc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
0x96 24 tc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
0x97 24 tc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
0x98 24 tc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
0x99 24 tc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
0x9a 24 tc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
0x9b 24 tc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
0x9c 24 tc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
0x9d 24 tc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
0x9e 24 tc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
0x9f 24 tc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
0xa0 24 tc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
0xa1 24 dc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
0xa2 24 dc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
0xa3 24 dc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
0xa4 24 dc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
0xa5 24 dc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
0xa6 24 dc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
0xa7 24 dc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
0xa8 24 dc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
0xa9 24 dc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
0xaa 24 dc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
0xab 24 dc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
0xac 24 dc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
0xad 24 dc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
0xae 24 dc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
0xaf 24 dc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
0x62 32 tc 0 32 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 0 0 0 None
Thank you.
Kind regards.
Jupiter
On 3/8/13, jupiter <jupiter.hce at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Brian,
>
> Thanks for your response, please see following glxinfo. I am currently
> building the LLVM, seems need hours to complete it. Is it correct to
> reconfigure/rebuild Mesa with "--enable-xlib-glx --disable-dri
> --enable-gallium-llvm --with-llvm-shared-libs"?
>
>
> $ glxinfo
> name of display: :0.0
> display: :0 screen: 0
> direct rendering: Yes
> server glx vendor string: Brian Paul
> server glx version string: 1.4 Mesa 9.1-devel
> server glx extensions:
> GLX_MESA_copy_sub_buffer, GLX_MESA_pixmap_colormap,
> GLX_MESA_release_buffers, GLX_ARB_get_proc_address,
> GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap, GLX_EXT_visual_info,
> GLX_EXT_visual_rating,
> GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_pbuffer
> client glx vendor string: Brian Paul
> client glx version string: 1.4 Mesa 9.1-devel
> client glx extensions:
> GLX_MESA_copy_sub_buffer, GLX_MESA_pixmap_colormap,
> GLX_MESA_release_buffers, GLX_ARB_get_proc_address,
> GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap, GLX_EXT_visual_info,
> GLX_EXT_visual_rating,
> GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_pbuffer
> GLX version: 1.4
> GLX extensions:
> GLX_MESA_copy_sub_buffer, GLX_MESA_pixmap_colormap,
> GLX_MESA_release_buffers, GLX_ARB_get_proc_address,
> GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap, GLX_EXT_visual_info,
> GLX_EXT_visual_rating,
> GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_pbuffer
> OpenGL vendor string: Brian Paul
> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa X11
> OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 9.1-devel
> OpenGL shading language version string: 1.20
> OpenGL extensions:
> GL_ARB_multisample, GL_EXT_abgr, GL_EXT_bgra, GL_EXT_blend_color,
> GL_EXT_blend_minmax, GL_EXT_blend_subtract, GL_EXT_copy_texture,
> GL_EXT_polygon_offset, GL_EXT_subtexture, GL_EXT_texture_object,
> GL_EXT_vertex_array, GL_EXT_compiled_vertex_array, GL_EXT_texture,
> GL_EXT_texture3D, GL_IBM_rasterpos_clip, GL_ARB_point_parameters,
> GL_EXT_draw_range_elements, GL_EXT_packed_pixels,
> GL_EXT_point_parameters,
> GL_EXT_rescale_normal, GL_EXT_separate_specular_color,
> GL_EXT_texture_edge_clamp, GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap,
> GL_SGIS_texture_border_clamp, GL_SGIS_texture_edge_clamp,
> GL_SGIS_texture_lod, GL_ARB_multitexture, GL_IBM_multimode_draw_arrays,
> GL_IBM_texture_mirrored_repeat, GL_3DFX_texture_compression_FXT1,
> GL_ARB_texture_cube_map, GL_ARB_texture_env_add,
> GL_ARB_transpose_matrix,
> GL_EXT_blend_func_separate, GL_EXT_fog_coord, GL_EXT_multi_draw_arrays,
> GL_EXT_secondary_color, GL_EXT_texture_env_add,
> GL_EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic, GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias,
> GL_INGR_blend_func_separate, GL_MESA_resize_buffers,
> GL_NV_blend_square,
> GL_NV_light_max_exponent, GL_NV_texgen_reflection,
> GL_NV_texture_env_combine4, GL_SUN_multi_draw_arrays,
> GL_ARB_texture_border_clamp, GL_ARB_texture_compression,
> GL_EXT_framebuffer_object, GL_EXT_texture_env_combine,
> GL_EXT_texture_env_dot3, GL_MESA_window_pos,
> GL_NV_packed_depth_stencil,
> GL_NV_texture_rectangle, GL_ARB_depth_texture, GL_ARB_occlusion_query,
> GL_ARB_shadow, GL_ARB_texture_env_combine, GL_ARB_texture_env_crossbar,
> GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3, GL_ARB_texture_mirrored_repeat,
> GL_ARB_window_pos, GL_ATI_envmap_bumpmap, GL_ATI_fragment_shader,
> GL_EXT_stencil_two_side, GL_EXT_texture_cube_map, GL_NV_depth_clamp,
> GL_NV_point_sprite, GL_APPLE_packed_pixels,
> GL_APPLE_vertex_array_object,
> GL_ARB_draw_buffers, GL_ARB_fragment_program, GL_ARB_fragment_shader,
> GL_ARB_shader_objects, GL_ARB_vertex_program, GL_ARB_vertex_shader,
> GL_ATI_draw_buffers, GL_ATI_texture_env_combine3,
> GL_EXT_depth_bounds_test, GL_EXT_shadow_funcs, GL_EXT_stencil_wrap,
> GL_MESA_pack_invert, GL_MESA_ycbcr_texture, GL_ARB_depth_clamp,
> GL_ARB_fragment_program_shadow, GL_ARB_half_float_pixel,
> GL_ARB_occlusion_query2, GL_ARB_point_sprite,
> GL_ARB_shading_language_100,
> GL_ARB_sync, GL_ARB_texture_non_power_of_two,
> GL_ARB_vertex_buffer_object,
> GL_ATI_blend_equation_separate, GL_EXT_blend_equation_separate,
> GL_OES_read_format, GL_ARB_pixel_buffer_object,
> GL_ARB_texture_compression_rgtc, GL_ARB_texture_rectangle,
> GL_ATI_texture_compression_3dc, GL_EXT_pixel_buffer_object,
> GL_EXT_texture_compression_rgtc, GL_EXT_texture_mirror_clamp,
> GL_EXT_texture_rectangle, GL_EXT_texture_sRGB,
> GL_EXT_texture_shared_exponent, GL_ARB_framebuffer_object,
> GL_EXT_framebuffer_blit, GL_EXT_framebuffer_multisample,
> GL_EXT_packed_depth_stencil, GL_NV_fragment_program_option,
> GL_APPLE_object_purgeable, GL_ARB_vertex_array_object,
> GL_ATI_separate_stencil, GL_ATI_texture_mirror_once,
> GL_EXT_draw_buffers2,
> GL_EXT_draw_instanced, GL_EXT_gpu_program_parameters,
> GL_EXT_texture_array, GL_EXT_texture_compression_latc,
> GL_EXT_texture_sRGB_decode, GL_EXT_timer_query, GL_MESA_texture_array,
> GL_ARB_copy_buffer, GL_ARB_draw_instanced, GL_ARB_half_float_vertex,
> GL_ARB_map_buffer_range, GL_ARB_texture_rg, GL_ARB_texture_swizzle,
> GL_ARB_vertex_array_bgra, GL_EXT_separate_shader_objects,
> GL_EXT_texture_swizzle, GL_EXT_vertex_array_bgra,
> GL_NV_conditional_render, GL_ARB_debug_output,
> GL_ARB_draw_elements_base_vertex, GL_ARB_explicit_attrib_location,
> GL_ARB_fragment_coord_conventions, GL_ARB_provoking_vertex,
> GL_ARB_sampler_objects, GL_EXT_provoking_vertex,
> GL_ARB_get_program_binary, GL_ARB_robustness, GL_ARB_texture_storage,
> GL_ARB_invalidate_subdata
>
> 32 GLX Visuals
> visual x bf lv rg d st colorbuffer ax dp st accumbuffer ms cav
> id dep cl sp sz l ci b ro r g b a bf th cl r g b a ns b eat
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 0x21 24 tc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
> 0x22 24 dc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
> 0x93 24 tc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
> 0x94 24 tc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
> 0x95 24 tc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
> 0x96 24 tc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
> 0x97 24 tc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
> 0x98 24 tc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
> 0x99 24 tc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
> 0x9a 24 tc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
> 0x9b 24 tc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
> 0x9c 24 tc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
> 0x9d 24 tc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
> 0x9e 24 tc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
> 0x9f 24 tc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
> 0xa0 24 tc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
> 0xa1 24 dc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
> 0xa2 24 dc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
> 0xa3 24 dc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
> 0xa4 24 dc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
> 0xa5 24 dc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
> 0xa6 24 dc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
> 0xa7 24 dc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
> 0xa8 24 dc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
> 0xa9 24 dc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
> 0xaa 24 dc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
> 0xab 24 dc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
> 0xac 24 dc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
> 0xad 24 dc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
> 0xae 24 dc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
> 0xaf 24 dc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 None
> 0x62 32 tc 0 32 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 0 16 8 16 16 16 0 0 0 None
>
>
> On 3/8/13, Brian Paul <brianp at vmware.com> wrote:
>> What does 'glxinfo' say with this configuration? I'm guessing you're
>> using the softpipe driver which is meant for correctness, not speed.
>> For speed, you want the llvmpipe driver. Install LLVM on your system
>> first then reconfigure/rebuild Mesa.
>>
>> -Brian
>>
>> On 03/07/2013 04:58 AM, jupiter wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> It seems using xlib-glx stopped 3D rotating. If I built mesa 9.1 using
>>> DRI in my local machine, it can rotate 3D picture. Is there anyway
>>> workaround to use xlib-glx for 3D applications?
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Kind regards.
>>>
>>> J
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I built mesa 9.1 with following configuration:
>>>>
>>>> --enable-xlib-glx --disable-dri --with-gallium-drivers=swrast
>>>> --enable-osmesa --with-osmesa-bits=32
>>>>
>>>> The mesa package is used by TurboVNC, so xlib glx has to be used
>>>> instead of DRI. It works well to gain faster speed in glxgears, but it
>>>> has huge problems to render a 3D modules in an application of CHIMERA.
>>>>
>>>> The thing puzzled me is when I use CentOS system provided Mesa 7.11,
>>>> the CHIMERA 3D picture rotation works fine despite the glxgears is
>>>> very slow (250 FPS).
>>>>
>>>> I am not clear that the slower 3D rendering in my built mesa is
>>>> because the DRI or I may miss some configurations. Appreciate any
>>>> advice.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards.
>>>>
>>>> Jupiter
>>>>
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>>
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