<div dir="ltr">No one is suggesting we completely drop support for old hardware. The drivers will still exist and work; they will just live in a legacy branch. We will also ensure that they are installable alongside the modern drivers and the expectation is that distros will continue to package them. The thing that's being suggested is that we move them out of the master branch where we tend to break them more than fix them. They can continue to get bugfixes on the legacy branch, they just won't get the random breakage from changes made for other drivers. </div><div class="gmail_extra"> <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 4:36 AM, <a href="mailto:hgkldjgfl@t-online.de">hgkldjgfl@t-online.de</a> <<a href="mailto:hgkldjgfl@t-online.de" target="_blank">hgkldjgfl@t-online.de</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>I have read on <a href="https://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Mesa-2017-Cleanup-Discussion" target="_blank">https://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Mesa-2017-Cleanup-Discussion</a> that there is a discussion about removing still working hardware. Please fix the problems instead. Please, dont remove support for it. I have spend in the last year over 100 hours of testing such hardware and reporting anonymously(privacy is important for me) bugs. I still like to use such hardware when no new hardware is required for a special use case. Also free software is always been talked about that it does not drop support for working hardware. Many linux developers laugh at the microsoft windows world when a new windows is been released and then there are no drivers for it. Then the general sentense of many people deep inside the linux community is "thats what happen when you use closed source software, take linux to fix this". Also its bad for nature to drop support of working hardware. Throw-away living is terrible for the nature! For example i have build for a development-usecase a modern amd-ryzen setup to a full-hd screen(no more space on desk). I put a GPU into this setup that include all required functionality: PCIe card with NV40 chip. The developer working on this hardware is now forced to not use gnome or kde-plasma because all bugs have been reported to for example imirkin and now waiting since one year for a bugfix. imirkin have bought a nv40 card for the PCI slot to fix those nv40 bugs. I am testing at least once a month a recent linux live image to see if the reported problems are fixed in the latest code. I also use machines for dedicated usage with much older hardware for using existing hardware that fullfills this usecase. For example a video-screen on a wall that should run 24/7 on a small vga screen -> you can use perfectly fine anything at radeon r200 series and defenetly everything at nouveau nv30 series. Please dont drop support for working hardware. Please fix the bugs instead of breaking completely the supprot for the hardware. I would still like to use the hardware and be able to say "linux is great, it does not force you to throw away fully working hardware". <div> </div>Gesendet mit <a href="https://t-online.de/email-kostenlos" target="_blank">Telekom Mail</a> - kostenlos und sicher für alle!</div> _______________________________________________ mesa-dev mailing list <a href="mailto:mesa-dev@lists.freedesktop.org">mesa-dev@lists.freedesktop.org</a> <a href="https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/mesa-dev" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/mesa-dev</a> </blockquote></div> </div>