<html><head></head><body><div class="ydp3010f9b9yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"> <div><div class="ydp63a3e1e1yahoo-style-wrap" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"> <div><div>Hi!</div><div><br></div><div>I read your article.</div><div><br></div><div>What I feel are missing are just minor pesky details:</div><div><br></div><div>1. Written as is, the frame being submitted is rounded up to display timing, delaying *future* frames.</div><div>But there is no way to delay the *currently displaying frame* (i.e. the 'previous' frame).</div><div><br></div><div>Right now if frame N was submitted without VkPresentTimeMESA but frame N+1 is, then frame N+1 will be presented to screen ASAP.</div><div><br></div><div>What I'm saying is that if frame N was submitted without VkPresentTimeMESA, then at frame N+1 I should be able to tell 'keep frame N displayed for at least P nanoseconds since it was displayed, and *then* present frame N+1, which is the frame I am now submitting'</div><div><br></div><div>> However, I think allowing the period to be specified in frames might be</div><div>> a mistake, because it won't work well with variable refresh rate</div><div><br></div><div>The API needs to be expanded further to explain Vulkan what a 'frame' is.</div><div>Is it the monitor's refresh rate?</div><div><br></div><div>Or is it an arbitrary elapsed time defined in the form numerator and denominator? (e.g. 60hz is numerator = 1, denominator = 60; 59.94hz is numerator = 1001 denominator = 6000)</div><div>By specifying arbitrary definitions of a frame, it is possible to be compatible with variable refresh rates e.g. for VRR monitors, applications may define denominator = 240 or denominator = 120</div><div><br></div><div>It should also be possible to dynamically change how long a frame lasts, in case the GPU simply can't catch up (e.g. specifying a denominator = 240 and using frames when the GPU can only render at 30hz is almost the same as presenting ASAP i.e. the same as not using VK_MESA_present_period at all)</div><div><br></div><div>Specifying denominator = 0 means using the monitor's native refresh rate. If such concept makes no sense (e.g. VRR?) then the behavior fallbacks to some unspecified low value (like denominator = 240) or some other vendor-defined behavior.</div><div>The value is unspecified because vendors will likely want to adjust this to an optimal value (e.g. controlled via driver settings in the Control Panel, defined by the Monitor manufacturer, defined by the GPU vendor, etc).</div><div><br></div></div>Cheers</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Matias</div></div></div></div></div></body></html>